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Old 08-14-2012, 12:55 PM   #1
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:32 PM   #2
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In August, 2010 I was riding (or trying to ride) the Continental Divide on my BMW R1200GS. North of Grant's NM, however, I spilled and needed assistance. But the authorities at McKinley County, NM were unable or unwilling to help and because of their incompetence I had to spend the night in a ditch waiting for help.

Recently I was in the area and made a Geo cache challenge of this event. Even if you are not interested in Geo-caching, you may find this interesting and want to pass this challenge on to someone willing to take this challenge.

Of course my intent here is only to provide a challenge and far be it from me to try and embarrass McKinley County. I'm above that sort of thing :-)

McKinley County Geocache Challenge (can you find Tweety?) - YouTube
Hmm, maybe you should carry camping gear next time. I remember thinking the main person who should have been embarrassed was you. And didn't you have a SPOT with you?
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:44 PM   #3
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Hmm, maybe you should carry camping gear next time. I remember thinking the main person who should have been embarrassed was you. And didn't you have a SPOT with you?
That is a little harsh. Maybe you should have followed the youtube link so you could get a better understanding of the story. I do agree we are all responsible for our own well being but I don't think that is Beemerbob's point.
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:48 PM   #4
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:08 PM   #5
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That is a little harsh. Maybe you should have followed the youtube link so you could get a better understanding of the story. I do agree we are all responsible for our own well being but I don't think that is Beemerbob's point.
Oh, believe me, I know the whole story and followed the thread carefully from long ago and don't remember feeling that the McKinley Co Sheriffs Dept should be the one who was embarassed. Check it out while this thread tries to outdo the earlier one:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...613416&page=12
But BBB, maybe you should confer with Buddy_Holly who seems to be famiilar with the Sheriffs Dept. since he lives in that county. Possibly he can let you know if they have time to engage in some geocaching exercises.
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:50 PM   #6
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:27 PM   #7
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OK, asshat - most accidents or wrecks occur from someone making a mistake or doing something stupid
So NOW you're finally copping to, in your words, "making a mistake or doing something stupid". Maybe it was a stupid mistake?.

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If you were outside of your country and had a wreck (even if your own fault), would you have been upset if no one came to your assistance? Then it was not a geocaching excersise asshat! They were just too incompetent or unwilling to help.
What the forque has location, ie: "outside of your country" have to do with any part of this discussion?. Unless you're in the USA illegally, it (nationality) is of no consequence.



The premise of you invoking the Geeohkashing demi-Gods is interesting... but I fail to see the connection between your finding an apparently unmarked ditch and then spending an impromptu evening alone.

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Old 08-14-2012, 04:38 PM   #8
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Don't take this the wrong way but wasn't there a little more to this?
I'm too lazy to search for the thread but if its the one I'm thinking of, weren't the coordinates in a non-typical format?

Glad you're ok though, sorry you spent the night in the field.
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:38 PM   #9
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One-you spelled incompetent wrong in the video.
Two-your tweety sounds like woody woodpecker.

All kidding aside, i am surprised that they couldn't figure that out based on the coordinates with just basic computer skills. If they did take the time to drive out there, why couldn't the desk jockey have taken 5 minutes to figure it out?
Did you use the camping gear that was strapped to the bike in the photo for the night stay or where you too injured to get to it? Just curious on the scope of the injury. Since you had SPOT and gear, it looks like you were fairly prepared and surprised when the resources available let you down. At least you lived to ride again!
Edit-remembered that even with coordinates, it didn't take the riders exactly to where you were. At least due to SPOT you got people looking, despite how long it took. without it, no one may have come across you for days!
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:40 PM   #10
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Old 08-14-2012, 05:26 PM   #11
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Old 08-14-2012, 05:42 PM   #12
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Don't take this the wrong way but wasn't there a little more to this?
I'm too lazy to search for the thread but if its the one I'm thinking of, weren't the coordinates in a non-typical format?

Glad you're ok though, sorry you spent the night in the field.
Yes, much of the discussion in the original thread was that the searchers, including two regional advriders and the sheriffs guys and somebody else, didn't understand the coordinate system for the SPOT transmission. I place the blame upon the SAR office somewhat, but for anybody who wants to be rescued, make sure your SPOT transmits a message alerting which coordinate system is being transmitted. My wife is warned to tell the searchers (if it every happens) to use only WGS84 decimal degrees coordinates. Now if you are in a 'country/nontourist' setting like McKinley County, NM I would trust that they would not necessarily be used to search and rescue attempts, but maybe they are. Buddy_Holly might know how proficient they are. And I am sorry BBB if I offended you, but it is probably time to let go of this instead of trying heap scorn on the McKinley Co. cops by challenging them to a geocache. I doubt they will try to find it.
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Old 08-14-2012, 05:53 PM   #13
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Being stuck out in the wilds of NM over night sucked I'm sure.

What many out of state folks don't realize is the rural counties in NM have a very low percapita income, money is scarce, Sheriff's departments are at the bottom of the pay scale, just above prision guards. Very little $$ for training and probably less for SAR. The area in question is at the extreme edge of the Sheriff's jurisdiction and up against indian reservations, a State patrol helo was required to finally pinpoint the rider's loc. It appears the sheriff's department was probably in over their head and real SAR assistance was required. It'd be really nice if a SPOT distress call would be the answer to these situations but lets face it, when riding alone, plan on being on your own, that includes making it out. Anytime you trust a single system, in this case a spot distress call, 100% you are asking for trouble.

You MUST be prepared for self rescue and if you're not comfortable with that, get a riding partner, it's that simple.
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I guess I’m just a little grumpy, but when I see someone bitching about the timeliness of their rescue, when they are partly to blame, it just chaps my ass. I’m sure you would have been rescued quicker if you had provided more concise information.
What’s ironic is that you were not that far from a dwelling that may have provided assistance if you planned better and known of its existence. Just sayin'




Looking back, there were several positive take-ways from you misfortune. Know what coordinates you are using and make sure everyone else does as well. This is key to getting rescued quick. And expecting and preparing for the worst. I can't say I abide by these by any means either.



I'm just glad it wasn't life threatening.


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Old 08-14-2012, 07:08 PM   #15
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I guess I’m just a little grumpy, but when I see someone bitching about the timeliness of their rescue, when they are partly to blame, it just chaps my ass. I’m sure you would have been rescued quicker if you had provided more concise information.
What’s ironic is that you were not that far from a dwelling that may have provided assistance if you planned better and known of its existence. Just sayin'


Looking back, there were several positive take-ways from you misfortune. Know what coordinates you are using and make sure everyone else does as well. This is key to getting rescued quick. And expecting and preparing for the worst. I can't say I abide by these by any means either.



I'm just glad it wasn't life threatening.


Yes, to be an adventure rider doesn't mean you do not have to be prepared. And being prepared does not mean you are a Boy Scout. The best prepared males in the whole world are members of Seal Team Six. Now how they do on their dirt bikes, I don't know.
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