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Old 09-13-2013, 04:18 PM   #1186
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At least on my r1200 they are chipped
on my r90, you can get a key but they are steel and it was a bitch finding an old school locksmith that had the tools.
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Old 09-13-2013, 04:29 PM   #1187
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At least on my r1200 they are chipped
on my r90, you can get a key but they are steel and it was a bitch finding an old school locksmith that had the tools.
I get steel keys cut all the time at my local safe and lock shop. Many brass blanks can be had in steel as well. They are ideal for motorcycle applications.
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Old 09-13-2013, 05:40 PM   #1188
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What are BMW keys made of, adamantium, that they cannot be cut? Are they chipped or what makes them so un-dupeable they have to be shipped from BMW?


I bought a Bmw key "blank"on Ebay and had it cut at the local hardware store. It was no big deal!
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:37 PM   #1189
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What are BMW keys made of, adamantium, that they cannot be cut? Are they chipped or what makes them so un-dupeable they have to be shipped from BMW?
It was explained to me that they are chipped and available only from BMW. Approx $60 per key.
btw, three shops in Phoenix, one of which is an independent shop, all told me the same thing about having keys for the 1200 gs made up. That makes 4 of the 5 shops in agreement so I tend to go with that.
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:46 PM   #1190
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There are two shops out of a dozen or so that can cut an steel BMW key blank.


The rest won't touch it, don't have the proper cutter. One shop fellow was about to start in on it when the older shop fellow stopped him mucking up the cutters.
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Old 09-14-2013, 04:06 AM   #1191
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What are BMW keys made of, adamantium, that they cannot be cut? Are they chipped or what makes them so un-dupeable they have to be shipped from BMW?
My 2009 has a regular key. But the 2010, has the interior cut key. I think the biggest problem is that many places (any?) can't do the interior cuts on a key. It also does have a chip.
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:01 AM   #1192
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My 2009 has a regular key. But the 2010, has the interior cut key. I think the biggest problem is that many places (any?) can't do the interior cuts on a key. It also does have a chip.
My 2008 has the interior cut as well. I'm certainly not an expert on keys...
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Old 09-14-2013, 10:20 AM   #1193
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I would like to report that the private dealer in Krefeld told me my bike was fine after the motor swap, and it actually appears to be so. Repeated beating on it and lots of repeated starting and mistreatment, and it fires right up every time. So if you are in the Düsseldorf area and need a BMW shop, Faßbender appears to be pretty good. And they only charged me an hour of shop time, too. I think at least two of the techs rode it home, though. Truthfully, that is good - that means they actually looked at it.
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Old 09-14-2013, 07:23 PM   #1194
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Seems like you could take it to a decent machine shop and have them cut one....
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Old 09-14-2013, 09:04 PM   #1195
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Looking for a new ADV bike. My Saga.

Looking for a new ADV bike. My Saga. Some names/dates/places have been changed to protect the guilty

KTM dealer in Zarina Zel Zey. They have a 1190 Adventure R listed for sale, and even claim it's used on cycle troller(cycle trader)? I walk in and of course no 1190's. I was in the area and didn't want to risk that maybe they DID have some kind of early demo unit. Sales guy there seems to know his stuff, but keeps trying to steer me to one of their 990 Baja's. I explain that I've ridden the 1190 ADV and ADV R both extensively and not really interested in the 990 as I have no seat time on them, unless he's going to allow me to rent one for a weekend. Of course he won't. he won't even let me take one for a test ride. Ok, I give him my contact info and ask him to give me a call when a 1190 R comes in. He calls 72 hours later, telling me he found me one of those "rare" Baja edition 990's and did I want to come down and look at it. I explain that I saw the bike...on his floor, and not interested...I'm the guy who has ridden the 1190's and wants and 1190...remember? Uh, no. I would have sworn you wanted the 990 Baja. No I rehash the entire conversation with the guy...he remembers zip. He once again promises to contact me when he has 1190 info. Following Saturday, I get a call at 9:02am Wakes me up. It's 50 first dates sales person again, telling me about he 'rare" Baja 990 I've been looking for is in. I'm NEVER happy when you wake me up. Doubley so when it's one of the few days I get to sleep in. quadruple that when it's Mr 50 first dates trying to sell me a bike I'm not interested in. I tell him to go pound sand into his hindmost orifice and block his # from my cell.

KTM Dealer in Zinglewood. They won't even talk to me about the 1190 as they don't have one and don't know when they are going to get one. Claim to know nothing about it, pricing, options, etc. I ask if they will contact me when they know more, and sale guy said, no, probably won't. We're only going to get maybe 5 of them and I'm sure we'll have no problem selling them.

Large multi-brand dealer in Zorona(near work). There are no ADV bikes on floor but KLR's and DR-Z. I ask him about Stroms or Versys? He says he thinks he has one strom in a crate, he's not sure color/options, but give him 5 and he'll check get back to me, he pulls a DB Cooper and heads out a door at the rear of the showroom. I wander over to the apparel department, try on helmets, play with gloves/jackets etc... Next thing I know 20 min has gone by and sales guy never came back. I walk back to the sales floor (they are adjacent and you can see from one side to the other. DB Cooper is no where to be found, in fact the entire sales floor is 100% empty of staff. I ask Parts Counter guys to try to locate SOMEONE/ANYONE in sales, and that I'll be on the floor. So I go kick the tires on some DZ's and KLRs... another 15 min goes by. Several other people have walked into the sales floor, there's now 5 of us waiting. A Prospective buyer comes up to me on the KLR and we start talking about 2 wheeled rides. he's also looking for a ADV bike and was hoping to see a S10 or 1000 Strom/Versys. I told him about my experience with the S10, and also passed along what DB Cooper said about a mythical bike in a crate, but no info on options/colors. We BS for awhile and exchange phone/email data hoping to ride together in the future. Another 10min has gone by now, and DB Cooper has not come back. NOT A SINGLE SALE PERSON Has visited the floor. I leave. I text the guy later that day and ask if he ever got to see the mythical bike. He said no. He waited 30 min and left without anyone EVER coming to the sales floor. He had sales paged 4-5 times from the parts counter, we laughed that DB Cooper was SO accurate. Parts guys tried to cover the sales floor/answer questions but couldn't do much. Next day I called the dealer and got the GM's name. Left him 2 messages over 5 business days, never got a call back. If the dealership is that badly run and I can't get a call back, why bother to spend any more energy to complain. Then again 75% of their sales floor is Watercraft/Side-sides/4-wheelers. Maybe they are just getting out of the MC business.

Local Zorrance Triumph dealer. They have no Explorer 1200's, but 2 EXP/XC 800s. Ok, I'll look. Wait, what's this? New 2011 800 XC...$13,5xx Right next to, NEW 2013 800 XC....$13,5xx WTF???? I really want to talk to sales guy figuring I can get the 2011 for a good deal. Only sales guy on floor is on phone. After 20 minutes, I give my name and Phone # to receptionist tell her I'm interested in the XC 800's and ask SOMEONE from sales to give me a call. They NEVER give me a call back. I call back following Monday, still dreaming of getting that 2011 for a good deal. and sales guy is on phone. I'm directed to his VM and I leave message. No call back. I call back about a week later, ask for GM. Get GM's name/email. Leave GM VM and send GM email. Again, never got a call back. About a week later I get a "form" letter from GM's email address thanking me for my business. huh?


Head to nearest BMW shop (Zong Zeach). I'm accosted walking in the door, I'm maybe 3 feet inside the door. Sales guy jumps on me and and asks "What are YOU here for?" It was either said it like he knew me and "WTF was I doing @ a BMW dealership", or WTF what I doing in LB when I should have been in Timbuku/anywhere else on the planet but THERE. I said I'm here to look at GS's. Either a 14 800GSA or a 13 1200GSW. Without asking me about what kind of riding I do, or where, or my history, He proceeds to tell me that I don't want a GSW they are overweight pigs and the LC is just a "gimmick", they are still air cooled outdated bikes, and that what I really want is 800GSA, but they don't have any. Won't have any for a few months, NO ONE has them yet, but they are GREAT bikes and they are just perfect for me, he'd be happy to put my name on a waiting list if I put down a deposit. This guy is fricking psychic. Not only does he know what I want, he knows what bike is perfect for me. This entire exchange took maybe 30 seconds. I told the guy he was an asshat, and walked out. I called the GM that day, left him a message. He called me back and we discussed the sales guy. He didn't seem so concerned about an offended customer, choosing to defend/back his sales guy. He claimed the new 2014 GSA800 is just that awesome and that I must have "misinterpreted" what the Sales guy said about the GSW. Oh well, I tried.


BMW dealer #2 in Zrange. This dealer came with a personal recommendation from a co-worker. I work with sales guy over the phone. We settle on a bike they have in stock/Price. I put down $100 refundable deposit to hold it. We then complete finance/credit/etc all via interwebz/fax/email (or so I thought). I show up at dealer at scheduled day/time. Sales guy is busy. I wait. He's finally free after 25 minutes (Why did we do an appt?). I sit at desk and he's go nothing. No paperwork, no keys. Nothing. He then makes me wait another 20min while he gathers everything. We then sit down to 100% BLANK paperwork. HUH? He then starts telling long winded stories about his BMW history, BMW's history, the History of the GS line, the epic model launch rides he's been on..etc...etc..etc.. It took2 hours for ADD sales guy to fill out an occasional form box in between stories. I'm finally about to leave the dealership...and I realize we never went over engine break in, so I ask him. He says, and I quote. "just read the owners manual, and don't lug the engine". Wait, I'm in full gear, helmet on, in your parking lot with the bike idling, about to embark on a 40 mile ride home. I just gave you $$,$$$ Throw me a F-ing bone here...oh wait you did, "RTFM" and "don't lug the engine". Gee thanks. Now THAT's what I call customer service after the sale.


One point I want to make out, is that for every one of these, I've tried to contact the GM of the Dealership. If we customers don't complain to the GM, they don't know they have socially inept troglodytes working for them. Sometimes the GM is just as big or bigger troglodyte, sometimes not. But I figure if I want a local business to be around to buy parts/accessories/bikes from, I have to do my part. Not just buy from them, but let them know when they screw up.
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Old 09-14-2013, 09:34 PM   #1196
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, I have to do my part. Not just buy from them, but let them know when they screw up.



Wow...


I feel sorry for the dealer that sold you the bike.
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Old 09-14-2013, 11:33 PM   #1197
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Wow...
I feel sorry for the dealer that sold you the bike.
There's a ton I left out of my interaction with that sales person. The bike was supposed to be ready to go, the entire transaction/paperwork should have taken less then 30 minutes since he had ALL the information he needed to fill it out. Included in the "after the sale" customer service, after everything was signed, sales person abandoned me for a fresh prospect. I was polite and waited for 15 minutes...in full gear, in the showroom, waiting for bike to be moved out to the parking lot. It wasn't until I started to push the bike out of the showroom myself that he came back to me and "offered" to help extract the bike from the showroom floor.

I have had 3 other people who bought bikes from this dealer all agree to avoid this sales person. I asked each if they ever complained to the GM, all said no. I advised them to do so. If we don't tell the GM how the parts/service/sales people are screwing up the experience, how are they ever going to get better?
I also contact the GM when someone does something good, so that they also know when things are done right and people get rewarded or at least acknowledged. This ain't my first rodeo.
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Old 09-15-2013, 02:30 AM   #1198
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Wow...


I feel sorry for the dealer that sold you the bike.
That's harsh, and short sighted. I've been in the guys shoes. Sometimes its extremely difficult to find someone who wants to take your money, and it's extremely annoying when you end up being FORCED to deal with a dealership like this because there aren't any more. I'm fortunate I have a great BMW dealer, but I've had these same issues with vehicles. I have actually been ready to buy a very expensive vehicle and completely changed my mind on more than one occasion because I didn't want to deal with the dealership.
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:42 AM   #1199
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I was ready to buy a DR650 the first of this year and was looking for a 2012, no real difference in 2013. I stopped at local dealer and they had a 2013, no 2012. Salesman told me they don't budge off sticker price and there was no point in making an offer below, he told me $6400 out the door. Said there were no 2012's left anywhere. I found a 2012 2 hours away, out of state, and the very nice GM told me $5100 plus fees. Ended up less than $5300 OTD...Got home, paid state tax and got tag for right at $5400 total. The out of state dealer was direct, friendly and very helpful. Too bad it's a 2 hour ride to his shop.
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Old 09-15-2013, 04:22 AM   #1200
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I was ready to buy a DR650 the first of this year and was looking for a 2012, no real difference in 2013. I stopped at local dealer and they had a 2013, no 2012. Salesman told me they don't budge off sticker price and there was no point in making an offer below, he told me $6400 out the door. Said there were no 2012's left anywhere. I found a 2012 2 hours away, out of state, and the very nice GM told me $5100 plus fees. Ended up less than $5300 OTD...Got home, paid state tax and got tag for right at $5400 total. The out of state dealer was direct, friendly and very helpful. Too bad it's a 2 hour ride to his shop.
I would have rode back to that dealer and told him what you paid...
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