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Old 03-17-2013, 10:07 AM   #196
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^^^^^Cherry Ranch should set up a photo booth at this spot and charge us all a small fee to have our photos taken with our bikes

We all have the same basic photo from the same basic spot. And for good reason, it's breath taking as you come around the corner and see this view.

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Old 03-17-2013, 10:21 AM   #197
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We all have the same basic photo from the same basic spot.
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Shall we start an album?

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Old 03-17-2013, 12:26 PM   #198
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When I was investigating the area around the Kinzua Haul Road, I ran into more "No Trespassing" signs than I have ever seen in my life. The property rights of the Kinzua road have been confirmed in court, but I have wondered about how many of the other closed roads might actually be public right-of-way that is just being claimed by landowners to keep out the riffraff.
Have I shown this pic of the old Kinzua truck?
it's sitting at a farm in Grizzly, a bit SW of Ashwood.

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Old 03-17-2013, 12:59 PM   #199
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When I was investigating the area around the Kinzua Haul Road, I ran into more "No Trespassing" signs than I have ever seen in my life. The property rights of the Kinzua road have been confirmed in court, but I have wondered about how many of the other closed roads might actually be public right-of-way that is just being claimed by landowners to keep out the riffraff.
Cherry Cr. Ranch trying to say something here-

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Old 03-17-2013, 01:17 PM   #200
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Cherry Cr. Ranch trying to say something here-

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Do those face direction of travel? or do they face from the side of the road, indicating only to not venture off the road?

I ran across one place where a "No Trespassing" sign that should have been positioned to protect adjacent property was instead turned toward traffic, to seem to prohibit use of the public road.
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Old 03-17-2013, 02:08 PM   #201
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Do those face direction of travel? or do they face from the side of the road, indicating only to not venture off the road?

I ran across one place where a "No Trespassing" sign that should have been positioned to protect adjacent property was instead turned toward traffic, to seem to prohibit use of the public road.
Those are off the side of the road, when you enter the ranch there is a sign that asks everyone to please stay on the road. All of the people that work the ranch that I have come across have been very nice but I have been on the road and being a good ambassador for dual sport riders. Let's keep it that way because this is a great road and one we don't want to have problems with.
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Old 03-17-2013, 02:19 PM   #202
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As for sign's, we did just get back from riding out in Eastern WA & OR and did run across many sign's that are posted next to the road making it look like the road is closed or private. It's becoming a real common site and is starting to get very frustrating especially if you are trying to be respectful of the surroundings!
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Old 03-17-2013, 02:28 PM   #203
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It's been about 4 years since I've been over there and those signs where doubled up on the south side of the road as you enter the ranch property. What I thought was funny is they had them posted on every other fence post. There must have been 50 signs. They must have had a problem with guys climbing the fence to bird hunt or something.

As Craig said, stick to the main road.
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:23 PM   #204
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...Let's keep it that way because this is a great road and one we don't want to have problems with.
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As Craig said, stick to the main road.
Don't misunderstand, I have no problem with someone protecting their property; I just don't want them claiming ours.


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Those are off the side of the road, when you enter the ranch there is a sign that asks everyone to please stay on the road.
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Cool, and as it should be.



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I thought was funny is they had them posted on every other fence post. There must have been 50 signs.
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I have often thought that the guy selling signs over there must be making a very nice living.
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:33 PM   #205
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As for sign's, we did just get back from riding out in Eastern WA & OR and did run across many sign's that are posted next to the road making it look like the road is closed or private. It's becoming a real common site and is starting to get very frustrating especially if you are trying to be respectful of the surroundings!
This is exactly my complaint, and I wish we had some easy way to determine which signs are ligit. I don't want to go where I shouldn't be, but I certainly do want to go where I have the right.
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Old 03-17-2013, 10:58 PM   #206
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It's been about 4 years since I've been over there and those signs where doubled up on the south side of the road as you enter the ranch property. What I thought was funny is they had them posted on every other fence post. There must have been 50 signs. They must have had a problem with guys climbing the fence to bird hunt or something.

As Craig said, stick to the main road.
They have a problem with people poaching trophy mule deer and elk off of the property. It's gotten so bad that the owners of the property no longer hunt their 65,000 acres for mule deer as they breeding stock of bucks has gotten so low that they are declining. Every year they find multiple headless deer with small caliber bullet wounds on their winter range. The public and private land surrounding the ranch is seeing the same problem. These aren't people poaching deer for food. They are poaching deer just for their heads to mount and sell in states where it is legal to sell mounted deer heads (it's illegal in Oregon and Washington). A trophy buck or elk can bring thousands and thousands of dollars.
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:11 PM   #207
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This is exactly my complaint, and I wish we had some easy way to determine which signs are ligit. I don't want to go where I shouldn't be, but I certainly do want to go where I have the right.
Is there a convenient source of maps somewhere that clearly marks what land is public and what is private? It gets old fast when a route seems like public land on my garmin and google maps, but turns out to be private (or at least claimed as private).
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:24 PM   #208
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Is there a convenient source of maps somewhere that clearly marks what land is public and what is private?
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:13 PM   #209
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Is there a convenient source of maps somewhere that clearly marks what land is public and what is private? It gets old fast when a route seems like public land on my garmin and google maps, but turns out to be private (or at least claimed as private).
I have never found it convenient but going to the county road department in each county is one way. Or, spend about 30 years buying every map you can get your hands on and the older the better. Not that the roads on the old maps will still be there or are public but it's amazing how roads and names vanish off the new maps! I like to pull the old maps out and then run Google Earth on the lap top next to it. It's really wild what you can find!
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:51 PM   #210
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I found this site which has tons of information including if land is public or private. It won't tell you if the road is public or private, but if you want to find out about a specific parcel of land this site has it:


http://tools.oregonexplorer.info/oe_...html?Viewer=OE

If you click "layers" then "show Layers" then
click the + sign next to Planning and Cadastral
click the "ownership" box
Click in the boxes you're interested in.

You can also use the boxes for wilderness areas or tribal lands,

It's not the most user friendly by any stretch of the imagination, but worth the time to figure it out.

There's a bunch of different base maps which you can view with different opacities to see through the the next map.

This really works great. Thought I'd pass it along since our tax dollars probably paid for the website, or at least most if the information on it.
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