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Old 11-13-2012, 05:23 AM   #181
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Yep. If total cost of the bike at the end of the term is less for new, then why not buy new?
I know a lot of banks like Wells Fargo don't even offer loans on bikes, and most that do won't even touch a used bike.

If you have cash or equity in another bike(s) and can aggregate their value into a good used bike, then it's sensible to buy used. But, most people don't. And that's where Honda has really hit the mark in pricing and bike type here. There's nothing on the market like this bike, and it's priced so that a guy who jerks coffee at Starbucks can buy one, if he has good credit.
Exactly. When I was shopping for my first new bike (at age 24), none of my local banks would give me a loan, citing short credit history and a limit of $2500 for a recreational vehicle.

If Honda has easy credit to give to folks wanting a bike, as did Harley-Davidson, these could be good sellers.
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:35 AM   #182
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Reviews!

http://blogs.motorcyclistonline.com/...ide-30133.html

http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motor...nda-CB1100.htm

My review (having not ridden it, but being very interested in it): Like it a lot. Seat excites me because it's flat for rider and passenger. Fuel capacity is too small, which is sad because it would make a nice tourer. Engine state of tune appeals to me (lots of torque), although I wish it were a 750-900 cc. Looks good, although I wish the looks were a little more retro and less 80's bland.

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Old 11-13-2012, 05:36 AM   #183
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The demographic this bike is going to be most appealing to can afford new. The 40-55 year age group that grew up on UJM's and are ready to move on from sport bikes and want a little nostalgia to remind them of that old CB900f or the GS1100e that provided them thrills when they were 20. I think it's perfect timing. We will see I guess. Were I in the market for a new bike this one would be at the top of my list.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:09 AM   #185
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I'm not so sure you did.

Let me try again, this time I won't put a specific motorcycle type.( I wasn't trying to do a break down of the demographics that buy into a particular bike type, simply that it's silly to question why people buy new when there's cheap used stuff. They want new, not used. Simple, yes? )

"I'm just trying to visualize who will buy a brand new XXXXXXXXXX for $10-11k when so much good used stuff is out there for much less"

I don't know how much it matters that there may be a lot of good used stuff on the market that may fill the same niche that this new offering from Honda belongs to. Some riders may not want a cheaper used something-or-other. They want a new CB1100, and so they'll buy it. Who this mystical "they" happens to be? Hell, I dunno. Probably people that want a new "retro" bike. Maybe drag these "theys" from the same primordial ooze from whence came Triumph Bonneville owners....
It seems you really want me to agree (capitulate) with your point about buying new vs used, and how there will always be some consumers who want one vs the other, OK, I completely agree with that, though I never refuted that concept, just the market examples you brought up...

...examples of which always make the difference in quanties of sales. Otherwise we wouldn't have some models that succeed spectactularly, while others fail miserably. That's what I was trying to get at (who ARE these people that will buy this bike) in my earlier post -- the one you butted into and quote-clipped, and attempted to change the frame of argument.

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....They want a new CB1100, and so they'll buy it. Who this mystical "they" happens to be? Hell, I dunno. Probably people that want a new "retro" bike. Maybe drag these "theys" from the same primordial ooze from whence came Triumph Bonneville owners....
See now, had you started your response with this to begin with, we would have gotten along splendily form the start.

Have to say, the posts from others did open my eyes on the type of riders that might actually put $$$ up and buy this model --- it is a great looking bike --- I just don't know if there's enough out there.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:18 AM   #186
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I think it needs a tank with chrome side panels...

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Old 11-13-2012, 07:22 AM   #187
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Marketing is not about building something that everyone likes, it's about building something that enough people feel strongly enough to act upon. Motorcycle demo's are getting older and most of us cut our teeth on bikes like these. There are more than enough pirate & power ranger options out there. New bike buyers enter the market for different reasons than classic bike buyers and the world of new standards is fairly limited in the states right now tho Triumph has done quite well with the Bonnie line. Compared to a T100 I'd say this thing is well priced and will likely do well. Poor Kawasaki, by the time they figure that all out and bring the W back in they'll have missed the window, but again. Timing is everything and I think Honda nailed it.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:32 AM   #188
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Timing is everything and I think Honda nailed it.
I think you are dead-on.

50 somethings, like me, will eat this bike up
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:42 AM   #189
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Very, very nice. Pure motorcycle with no wierd styling add-ons.
Exactly. The more I look at it, the more I'm digging it! I love that shade of red they're using too....just gorgeous. I haven't been this excited for a bike since my 83 GS1100E.....now THAT was a mans bike!

If the pricing is right, I have a feeling one of these will make it into my garage..... I'd love to see honda do the same bike, but with the VFR1200 engine in it - a modern V65 Sabre.....ohhhhh momma!!
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:43 AM   #190
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This does it for me. Not so much to dump my Bonneville, but once some used ones are floating around... maybe.


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Old 11-13-2012, 07:58 AM   #191
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From what I can see Honda got it right with that CB1100.

I believe it will have a following with the trend setter crowd and here is why:

The frame looks nice and the engine looks great. It is clean and full of potential for customization.

The Harley Sportster is popular for this reason as is the Truimph Bonnevilles. Of course the other "cool" bikes are the old Honda CB's and the old Yamaha XS650's. What they all share in common is simplicity and economy in form and aesthetics.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:19 AM   #192
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Look at that beauty!
Toss a pair of soft bags over the seat, and that puppy will take you anywhere.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:45 AM   #193
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I just hope those clamoring for this bike in the States will go out and buy evey one they send here. Perhaps then Honda will send over a few of the other bikes they've been keeping from us...
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:49 AM   #194
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Marketing is not about building something that everyone likes, it's about building something that enough people feel strongly enough to act upon. Motorcycle demo's are getting older and most of us cut our teeth on bikes like these. There are more than enough pirate & power ranger options out there. New bike buyers enter the market for different reasons than classic bike buyers and the world of new standards is fairly limited in the states right now tho Triumph has done quite well with the Bonnie line. Compared to a T100 I'd say this thing is well priced and will likely do well. Poor Kawasaki, by the time they figure that all out and bring the W back in they'll have missed the window, but again. Timing is everything and I think Honda nailed it.
That's a nicely nuanced view of this-type bike, and the motorcycle market in general. And yeah, from what I've seen Triumph has done quite well in the segment. I hope the CB1100 succeeds -- it reminds me a lot of the 70's CB750 I occasionally got rides on when I was a kid. Very great memories.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:56 AM   #195
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From what I can see Honda got it right with that CB1100.

I believe it will have a following with the trend setter crowd and here is why:

The frame looks nice and the engine looks great. It is clean and full of potential for customization.

The Harley Sportster is popular for this reason as is the Truimph Bonnevilles. Of course the other "cool" bikes are the old Honda CB's and the old Yamaha XS650's. What they all share in common is simplicity and economy in form and aesthetics.
I totally agree with the clean looks of the bike, and the potential for customization.

And earlier poster said he liked the bike, but preferred non-chrome fenders. I could see color-matched fenders of different styles being a nice factory or dealer option. HD has gone to the bank with that concept. Not sure if Honda does something similar with their Shadow lineup. I could see the path if Honda were to choose to do this. The CB's gotta sell initially to get that whole ball rolling though. Hopefully it does.
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