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Old 01-18-2013, 08:59 PM   #901
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If this Kawi has 100+ horsepower like a modern street fighter, I'll buy one. That's my only disappointment with the CB 1100. It's a gorgeous bike, but at 80 horsepower it's hard for me to justify trading in my old Honda 919 (~100 horsepower) for something retro-cool with 20 less horsepower...
If I considered selling my 125 hp Yamaha FZ 1 to buy a 919 with 25 less horsepower, youd tell me the 919 would have plenty of power and that id be perfectly happy. Same analogy for the CB.

On my FZ1 most of the hp comes on between 8 and 12k rpms. I personally spend 99.9 percent of my riding below 6k rpms. Fact of the matter is this 87 hp @ 7500 rpms Honda may actually be putting out more hp in the range I typically ride in, than my current 125 hp motorcycle does.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:14 PM   #902
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If I considered selling my 125 hp Yamaha FZ 1 to buy a 919 with 25 less horsepower, youd tell me the 919 would have plenty of power and that id be perfectly happy. Same analogy for the CB.

On my FZ1 most of the hp comes on between 8 and 12k rpms. I personally spend 99.9 percent of my riding below 6k rpms. Fact of the matter is this 87 hp @ 7500 rpms Honda may actually be putting out more hp in the range I typically ride in, than my current 125 hp motorcycle does.


Easy with the logic there, you might get some people wound up.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:18 PM   #903
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The FZ1 compares more to the CB1000R than the 1100. Neither are retros, like the 1100. I agree that the HP and torque of the 1100 are probably better at 6k than either the Yamaha or the 1000R. It's a choice of whether to ride in the midrange or closer to redline. Different strokes, I'd say. If a retro is your thing, go the 1100. If naked sport is it, either the FZ1 or 1000R, is a better choice. That concept Kawi might be even more fun....Just saying. tp

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Old 01-19-2013, 05:43 AM   #904
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If this Kawi has 100+ horsepower like a modern street fighter, I'll buy one. That's my only disappointment with the CB 1100. It's a gorgeous bike, but at 80 horsepower it's hard for me to justify trading in my old Honda 919 (~100 horsepower) for something retro-cool with 20 less horsepower...
True, but HP and Torque fixes are amongst the easiest fixes.

You already have the displacement in the Honda cb1100, along with good flowing heads and a decent exhaust. It's my guess it's in a mild state of tune. 100+ HP is probably within easy reach.

If that's all that's holding you back, then I'd go for it.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:07 AM   #905
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The FZ1 compares more to the CB1000R than the 1100. Neither are retros, like the 1100. I agree that the HP and torque of the 1100 are probably better at 6k than either the Yamaha or the 1000R. It's a choice of whether to ride in the midrange or closer to redline. Different strokes, I'd say. If a retro is your thing, go the 1100. If naked sport is it, either the FZ1 or 1000R, is a better choice. That concept Kawi might be even more fun....Just saying. tp

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i know, but for the sake of the argument about diminished horsepower, I was comparing it to the 919 both sport standards...and what I was really saying is comparing peak horsepower to peak horsepower is only valuable for those that tend to ride in that range, mostly racers and not street riders.

Im on the FZ 1 board as well and those guys used to scoff at the only 100 hp suzuki bandit 1250 but when you look at dyno charts the Bandit also had more torque and horsepower below 8k than the FZ. The Fz has a mighty hp kick between 8 and 12 k but if youre not revving that high, you are not getting the benefit of the peak hp.

Btw the R1 guys used to scoff at the FZ guys cause they were riding around on detuned R1 motors which only made 125 hp instead of the R1 s full 150

Then there are the ZX 1400 guys ........

For cruising around (and not racing) the CB 1100 should have plenty of power.
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:18 AM   #906
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Even with my ZX-7R, I used to take it easy on it when I wasn't going hog-wild. This meant using low RPM's and just cruising it for touring.

I agree that lower RPM's and higher low-end torque would probably serve more riders who are getting older (and, thus, riding diffierently) better.

I used to believe that no bike under 90 HP was worth riding for highway use and getting around... but now I'm on a DR650 and doing just fine (sort of... would rather it be a two-cylinder 650)... Anyway, the make or break with the CB1100 is all-day, every-day comfort - does it have it in spades like the old UJM's?
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:30 AM   #907
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i know, but for the sake of the argument about diminished horsepower, I was comparing it to the 919 both sport standards...and what I was really saying is comparing peak horsepower to peak horsepower is only valuable for those that tend to ride in that range, mostly racers and not street riders.

Im on the FZ 1 board as well and those guys used to scoff at the only 100 hp suzuki bandit 1250 but when you look at dyno charts the Bandit also had more torque and horsepower below 8k than the FZ. The Fz has a mighty hp kick between 8 and 12 k but if youre not revving that high, you are not getting the benefit of the peak hp.

Btw the R1 guys used to scoff at the FZ guys cause they were riding around on detuned R1 motors which only made 125 hp instead of the R1 s full 150

Then there are the ZX 1400 guys ........

For cruising around (and not racing) the CB 1100 should have plenty of power.
Your point is well made IMHO. I used to have a first gen FZ1. Great motorcycle. It had lots of power everywhere. I seldom got above 7-8k rpm. Based on published dyno charts it looked like I using maybe 80-85hp most of the time. A full blown redline run was exhilarating. Their just wasn't much place for it on public roads.

I sold it and kept my 50 hp BMW.

I miss the power when trying to pass on tight twisty roads, but really, 80hp in a 500lb bike, is enough for me. I'm pretty sure the CB1100 will be enough, power wise, for most riders.
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:40 AM   #908
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Even with my ZX-7R, I used to take it easy on it when I wasn't going hog-wild. This meant using low RPM's and just cruising it for touring.

I agree that lower RPM's and higher low-end torque would probably serve more riders who are getting older (and, thus, riding diffierently) better.

I used to believe that no bike under 90 HP was worth riding for highway use and getting around... but now I'm on a DR650 and doing just fine (sort of... would rather it be a two-cylinder 650)... Anyway, the make or break with the CB1100 is all-day, every-day comfort - does it have it in spades like the old UJM's?
My only concern about the CB 1100 is the footpeg placement. According to cycle ergos dot com my knees are going to be bent more on the CB 1100 than on the FZ which makes no sense to me. This 62 year olds knees aren't bending so tight anymore. I'll just have to wait until it comes in to see if its acceptable. I sure hope so, because other than that the CB looks like a really nice all around motorcycle.
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:39 AM   #909
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That seat looks pretty skinny. At 6 1/2 ' tall I usually redo the seat on all my bikes to get the leg room I need.
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:13 AM   #910
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For example according to cycle ergos the original 69-78 CB 750 had a seat height of 32.6". For my 5'7" bod this bike shows a forward lean of 5 degrees and a knee angle of 105 degrees. The new CB 1100 has a seat height of 30.5" and shows a forward lean of 13 degrees ( more forward lean) and a knee angle of 85 degrees.(sharper knee bend). What I dont know is if my leg length vs torso length will make any difference, and if those few degrees of forward lean or few degrees of knee angle makes any appreciable difference. Only time and a test ride will tell. I know the lower seat height will make me more comfortable at stops and when backing up.

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Old 01-19-2013, 10:30 AM   #911
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That Kawi is a great looking Streetfighter. I love the Speed Triples, but this bike has much more character than the S3. Bet it would be a blast to ride. Shame a tail light and license plate would be needed to keep street legal. It's not a retro, but is really nice... tomp dd50
Dunno bout that rear cowl, kind of looks out of place with such a chopped off ass-end - kind of like a cat without a tail would; something's missing. Depending on how the plate was mounted, that could complete the look for me......
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Old 01-19-2013, 11:00 AM   #912
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My only concern about the CB 1100 is the footpeg placement. According to cycle ergos dot com my knees are going to be bent more on the CB 1100 than on the FZ which makes no sense to me. This 62 year olds knees aren't bending so tight anymore. I'll just have to wait until it comes in to see if its acceptable. I sure hope so, because other than that the CB looks like a really nice all around motorcycle.
That, and the height of the bars, are my biggest concerns. It definitely has a sporty riding position. At least the bars could be raised.

I don't understand all the fuss about a few HP. Doesn't anybody "just ride" anymore? Does there have to be some kind of high performance involved? Besides comfort, maybe that is something else that has always attracted me to cruisers, but on the other hand, I've had a number on inline four cruisers with plenty of power. When you just want to cruise down the road for a few hundred miles, you don't really need that much power, and power above 8000 RPM is pretty much unusable on the street, unless you want to lose your license.
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Old 01-19-2013, 02:30 PM   #914
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For example according to cycle ergos the original 69-78 CB 750 had a seat height of 32.6". For my 5'7" bod this bike shows a forward lean of 5 degrees and a knee angle of 105 degrees. The new CB 1100 has a seat height of 30.5" and shows a forward lean of 13 degrees ( more forward lean) and a knee angle of 85 degrees.(sharper knee bend). What I dont know is if my leg length vs torso length will make any difference, and if those few degrees of forward lean or few degrees of knee angle makes any appreciable difference. Only time and a test ride will tell. I know the lower seat height will make me more comfortable at stops and when backing up.
Maybe their ergo's are a bit off? Honda lists the seat height at 31.3,and I double checked since I already boned the redline!!!!

http://powersports.honda.com/2013/cb...fications.aspx
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Old 01-19-2013, 03:54 PM   #915
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At 31.5" that changes my numbers to 15 degree lean and 90 degrees on the knee angle ( more lean, less knee angle).

Personally im not that worried about it, but since it wont be here until April I have nothing to do but obsess about it lol
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