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Old 06-05-2005, 09:57 PM   #16
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Don't laugh mate, there's a couple of companies out there that will seal spoked rims professionally, and bed liner is exactly what it looks like
guess I spoke to soon.
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Old 06-05-2005, 10:17 PM   #17
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guess I spoke to soon.

And another potential money maker slips thru Dag's fingers.
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Old 06-05-2005, 10:21 PM   #18
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And another potential money maker slips thru Dag's fingers.
:lip already sold the lineX unit POS anyway...
still whats so wrong wit tubes?
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Old 06-05-2005, 10:33 PM   #19
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:lip already sold the lineX unit POS anyway...
still whats so wrong wit tubes?
Yer askin' me? Ask the guy with the bigass tube of silicone.
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Old 06-06-2005, 02:43 AM   #20
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:lip already sold the lineX unit POS anyway...
still whats so wrong wit tubes?
An hour or two beside the trail w/ spoons as oposed to 10 minutes w/ a plug gun. That's whats the matter.
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Old 06-06-2005, 02:56 AM   #21
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Don't laugh mate, there's a couple of companies out there that will seal spoked rims professionally, and bed liner is exactly what it looks like
That probably works great until that rim gets tweaked and it's necessary to turn a few of those nipples. I'd hate to be scraping silicone from the rim every time I had to turn a spoke. When you pull that duct tape off the rim it's going to possibly pull up the silicone. To be safe, when you pull that tape, one should assume the integrity of every one of the seals is broken. You never want to blow a seal. According to Loaded, you'll never get the taste of fish out of your mouth.

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Old 06-06-2005, 05:59 AM   #22
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An hour or two beside the trail w/ spoons as oposed to 10 minutes w/ a plug gun. That's whats the matter.
I can patch a tube in 20 minutes by myself. so thats not really it either. faster if I have a spare tube along. an hour or two?
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Old 06-06-2005, 06:34 AM   #23
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I say put the silicon (lots of it) on the OUTSIDE of the tire too. Take advantage of the extra stickiness; if it's thick enough you can even sculpt in some knobs.
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Old 06-06-2005, 06:55 AM   #24
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That probably works great until that rim gets tweaked and it's necessary to turn a few of those nipples. I'd hate to be scraping silicone from the rim every time I had to turn a spoke. When you pull that duct tape off the rim it's going to possibly pull up the silicone. To be safe, when you pull that tape, one should assume the integrity of every one of the seals is broken. You never want to blow a seal. According to Loaded, you'll never get the taste of fish out of your mouth.
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Old 06-06-2005, 07:00 AM   #25
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I'm wishing I hadn't posted this now. I didn't realize it would cause such a stir!

Anyway, once again, my bike is a street supermoto, no huge abuse like an off-road or true supermoto race bike will take.

If the general consensus is that it is truly unsafe, I may go back. I am going to keep riding around town and keep an eye on it. I'll keep you posted with mileage and updates.
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Old 06-06-2005, 07:10 AM   #26
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Did you dig around? If you had you would learn that the issue is not the spokes, its the rim's edge: does it have enought edge to hold a tubeless tire's bead? If not then you are in deep shit if the forces get high enough...

TONS of threads on this:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79128
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...2&page=1&pp=15
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72565

now stop giving people half of a fuckin' dangerous idea you wanker!

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Old 06-06-2005, 07:25 AM   #27
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Did you dig around? If you had you would learn that the issue is not the spokes, its the rim's edge: does it have enought edge to hold a tubeless tire's bead? If not then you are in deep shit if the forces get high enough...

TONS of threads on this:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79128
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...2&page=1&pp=15
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72565

now stop giving people half of a fuckin' dangerous idea you wanker!

PLENTY of edge to hold a tubeless tire bead. Getting the tire back off of the rim is a hell of a pain, they stick that well. First of all, almost all supermotos run TUBELESS tires. Even straight from the KTM factory, the Pirellis are tubeless type, run with tubes, which many people say is also dangerous. The rims are designed to accept a tubeless tire bead, so that is not an issue.
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Old 06-06-2005, 09:10 AM   #28
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Here's what you need: A tubeless type valve stem, a large cylinder of clear silicone (get at any hardware store), a calk gun to apply the silicone with, and duct tape. That's it.
NO MENTION OF THE BEAD...

some nOOb comes in and reads your post and thinks, "Fuck Yeah!", but doesn't have a tube rim that incidentally has a ridge large enough to securely hold the tubeless bead, goes out and kills themselves - HOW YOU GONNA FEEL?

I suggest you edit your original post to mention the IMPORTANCE of the rim to the conversion. Or I might ask Arch to delete it.
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Old 06-06-2005, 09:26 AM   #29
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NO MENTION OF THE BEAD...

some nOOb comes in and reads your post and thinks, "Fuck Yeah!", but doesn't have a tube rim that incidentally has a ridge large enough to securely hold the tubeless bead, goes out and kills themselves - HOW YOU GONNA FEEL?

I suggest you edit your original post to mention the IMPORTANCE of the rim to the conversion. Or I might ask Arch to delete it.
No need to be a dick. If you recall, my VERY FIRST POST says:

"I don't know what the drawbacks of going tubeless with an off-road bike are".

Now that I know, I totally agree, please do delete this entire post. I'm not out to hurt anybody, I am simply trying to help, and for me this method is working very well. If there is a chance my idea will hurt someone, please do delete this post as quickly as possible. Problem solved.

Moderators, can we delete this can of worms?
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Old 06-06-2005, 09:45 AM   #30
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No need to be a dick. If you recall, my VERY FIRST POST says:

"I don't know what the drawbacks of going tubeless with an off-road bike are".

Now that I know, I totally agree, please do delete this entire post. I'm not out to hurt anybody, I am simply trying to help, and for me this method is working very well. If there is a chance my idea will hurt someone, please do delete this post as quickly as possible. Problem solved.

Moderators, can we delete this can of worms?
Oh, my bad backdrifter, I misinterpreted the tone of your last comment. Excuse my harsh response.

You can edit your original post anytime you want, just login and you will see an edit button in the bottom right corner of your posts. No need to delete it, obviously it works for you.

One thing to ask a shop like Woody's Wheel Works (linked above) is what they do to change spoke wheels to tubeless (with the correct rim). The spoke adjustment problem sounds like a hastle.
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