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Old 02-10-2013, 01:20 PM   #3106
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I thought the Mefo explorer, which is/feels like basically the same tire as the Heidenau K60 Scout methinks was less than confidence inspiring on pavement and on dirt. I didn't like the way it learned into turns and was vague in feedback, just letting go once you hit the threshold of traction in the twisties, kinda made it fun for sliding around corners, but not really ideal.
For the price I don't see the value, a TKC-80 is better all around IMO, at least when you're talking $200 tires.


Now the Mefo Super Explorer is a very good DS tire, ran one last fall pre-running the Baja 1000 race course, 3000 miles total, one rear tire. Pretty good compromise DS tire, but it only comes in a 140/18 and would be too big for a LRP unfortunately.

The Kenda Big Block might be another good DS compromise tire for the LRP, we've had good experiences with them riding the Continental Divide Route a couple years ago, good road manners, good dirt traction. Decent wearing.

Tires are about the most subjective thing on a motorcycle though, the main thing I believe like Jimmy states is to go with the best tire you can for in the dirt if that's where you'll be riding.

It's OK to mis-match tires too, like having a knobby front with a DS rear if you're commuting and riding trails in the same week. Better turning and stopping power off tarmac with the front, better wear on the street with the rear.

If the LRP was my one do it all bike, I would run a D606 front and a Shinko 705 rear, or Kenda Big Block rear, depending on how much pavement I was riding daily and my tire budget for the month. For specific multi day dirt adventures I would change the rear to a knobby for the trip, the rest of the time a combo setup would be a good compromise.


There's few tires I haven't ran, though my opinion is just another FF's opinion. YYMV.
Lost Rider: All good commentary, except:
1. The CRF doesn't have any excess power to punish a rear tire like the "big enduro" tires you've mentioned. For example, when a knobby design tire is to be certified "DOT' legal, it is run on a tire dynamometer for something rediculous like 24 hours at double the rated weight, and can't shed any knobs!
2. The D606 will work well in the scenario you describe, especially if you run it on pavement at about 30PSI to keep knob wear even...but a somewhat better (offroad) DOT knob is the Pirelli Scorpion...especially if sand is involved offroad
3. The TKC is pricey...but it is by far the quietest, with the least amount of vibration....but they run TALL and can mess up your gearing...don't know if they make one in the 110/90 probably most appropriate for the CRF
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:25 PM   #3107
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sounds like you're confusing the mefo and the heidenau...


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Old 02-10-2013, 01:26 PM   #3108
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Sounds like you're confusing the MEFO and the Heidenau...
MEFO and Heidenau come from the same US didtributor and are still made in the same old tire plant in the old East Germany.....As I recall, REAL stiff sidewalls....nasty devils to mount! Wear pretty well....but there are better choices...in my opinion for the $$.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:37 PM   #3109
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MEFO and Heidenau come from the same US didtributor and are still made in the same old tire plant in the old East Germany.....As I recall, REAL stiff sidewalls....nasty devils to mount! Wear pretty well....but there are better choices...in my opinion for the $$.
I agree on the price - too pricey, however they do run pretty good on the GS for 50/50 (If Interested this is a link to us riding on the scouts and TKC80 last year), however I think that the best value for 80/20 tires are the Shinko 705s - but since we are on the subject the LRP i really really like and recommend the Dunlop 606's. Of course I just blew all my credo calling the heidenau scout a mefo tire oh well....
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:39 PM   #3110
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I agree on the price - too pricey, however they do run pretty good on the GS for 50/50, however I think that the best value for 80/20 tires are the Shinko 705s - but since we are on the subject the LRP i really really recommend the Dunlop 606's. Of course I just blew all my credo calling the heidenau scout a mefo tire oh well....
Yup...D606...safest choice
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Old 02-10-2013, 02:07 PM   #3111
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MEFO and Heidenau come from the same US didtributor and are still made in the same old tire plant in the old East Germany.....As I recall, REAL stiff sidewalls....nasty devils to mount! Wear pretty well....but there are better choices...in my opinion for the $$.
As always, YMMV, but I ran nothing else but the MEFO (rear) on my KTM 990. The $ to mileage ratio I got was phenomenal and the tire was very predictable with a pleasant wear all the way down. I've since run the Heidenau on my BMW and I don't like that tire half as much.
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Old 02-10-2013, 02:23 PM   #3112
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Lost Rider: All good commentary, except:
1. The CRF doesn't have any excess power to punish a rear tire like the "big enduro" tires you've mentioned. For example, when a knobby design tire is to be certified "DOT' legal, it is run on a tire dynamometer for something rediculous like 24 hours at double the rated weight, and can't shed any knobs!
2. The D606 will work well in the scenario you describe, especially if you run it on pavement at about 30PSI to keep knob wear even...but a somewhat better (offroad) DOT knob is the Pirelli Scorpion...especially if sand is involved offroad
3. The TKC is pricey...but it is by far the quietest, with the least amount of vibration....but they run TALL and can mess up your gearing...don't know if they make one in the 110/90 probably most appropriate for the CRF

Fair enough, when running a big enduro tire on a 250 the wearing should be much better.
The Scorpion front is also a great tire, I didn't care for the rear at all, but we're all different.
The reason I recommend a 606 front is it does indeed wear better when riding lots of pavement than the Scorpion, at least for me they have. The rear knobs were too short for good loose terrain traction and wore out to nothing very quickly. Folks who use them in the Dakar are changing tires daily... Granted they might last a little longer on the LRP, but there's no comparison to a D606 for all around performance and value, out here in Cali where we ride in rocky places with plenty of sand the D606 is king and most common tire used hands down for a DOT knobby.
The Scorpion rear is very similar to a Michelin T63, also a tire I didn't care for with short knobs that didn't last.
Also the Mitas E-09 are good DOT knobbies, but a little harder to find and pricier.

You can get a TKC80, D606, Shinko 705, Motoz Enduro I/T, Scorpion, all in LRP sizes for the rear and of course any DOT for the 21" front. We are running a 120/18 D606 on the LRP now.
The D606 and Pirelli XCMH front setup we're running on the LRP now is working excellent for us, with the reduced power like you mentioned they are wearing nicely.


Then there's always the Motoz Tractionator DOT knobs, I'm currently running the Enduro I/T rear on my Husa, the tire before was the Desert H/T and what I have on front and probably will try them out on the LRP next. Meaty, stiff, and wearing very well with excellent desert terrain traction.

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Lots of good choices now a days, best thing for folks to do is experiment and find what works best for them.
Even though D606 is all around king IMO, I've always been interested in trying out different tires for myself. The best thing about the D606 is when you're traveling, it's easy to find at most any MC shop.
Always looking forward to new shoes day, especially on the LRP so I can compare the same tires on much different bikes.
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:02 PM   #3113
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Yeah they are certainly deceptive from appearance. Do you end up in much mud and if so, how do they handle in that regard? Have you ar anyone you know ever used the Kenda 270's?
I put a set of K270's on my DR650. 50 miles later, they were off and sold. HATED those f'ing tires. Squirrely as hell on asphalt, always felt like they were flat. Yet some people like 'em.

Just put a Shinko 244 (visually identical to the K270) on a friend's KLX250S (rear only) to replace his worn out stocker. Says it's okay, but also says it feels a bit squirrely. Hes' looking forward to warmer, dryer weather so he can put his Trackmaster II's on. He picked the 244 simply because it was cheap and his stocker was worn out, since he commutes on the bike.

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Old 02-10-2013, 03:33 PM   #3114
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Those Tractionator knobs are SERIOUS!
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:56 PM   #3115
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I would guess that the Big block knobby would be better to prevent the wobble effect. I did a set of off road Sadona tires that had this problem on the hard pack dirt roads, so I took them for a 200 km trip down tha hyw and they still had a bit of the wobble, so another 100 kms fix them up good.

The folks on V-Strom Interntional seem to like the Continental TK-80's I think they were. I'll look back and see what they were for sure.

I'm doing a set of Heidenau K60 Scouts. If I run into traction problem, then out comes the sipping tool.

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sweet jeebus this got big, ridiculous to try to scroll through and find the info, so Ima ask. WHo's the company that's making springs for the rear shock, it'd be awesome if someone could PM the info. Need a stiffer spring
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sweet jeebus this got big, ridiculous to try to scroll through and find the info, so Ima ask. WHo's the company that's making springs for the rear shock, it'd be awesome if someone could PM the info. Need a stiffer spring
Cogent Dynamics makes the replacement springs that you are looking for.

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Old 02-10-2013, 07:26 PM   #3118
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Cogent Dynamics makes the replacement springs that you are looking for.

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Old 02-10-2013, 08:26 PM   #3119
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Cogent Dynamics makes the replacement springs that you are looking for.

http://motocd.com/
Well gents, here's my take on this spring & shock business. The obvious choice is to buy the spring from Cogent and be done with it. However, unlike my KLR650, the spring on the CRF shock seems like it will come off by removing the assembly, loosening the locking ring and unwind the two threaded rings off the shock body. The KLR requires a special compressor to get it off...so you have to pay to have the spring swapped. We have established that the stock spring is about 325 lb/inch rating was what I recall. If someone will share the information in the service manual, the free length of the is probably in there. Then measure the diameter of the wire the stock spring is made of, as well as the outside diameter. Then study the numerous spring manufacturers out there, and buy what you want that will fit. Eibach is the biggest, there are others. Progressive probably has an appropriate size spring that will fit the stock shock. A spring is worth maybe $100....or even less. BUT that doesn't address the other issue which is, can the stock shock be opened up and modified for "better" compression and rebound damping? And if it can be opened and modified...then what does it get modified to. Those last two bits are the hard part. Cogent, Progressive and others are in this business....sure they want to sell a good quality NEW shock, because of profit margins, but also they know a modified stock shock may not be up to the trouncing that many riders may give it...so..they are smart and want to protect their reputation by avoiding the rebuild business. So...those are the choices I see. Personally, I spent $135 rebuilding my KLR650 shock, and the difference was night and day, and I kept the stock spring. My OPINION is that the CRF shock is pretty decent....and it may only need a bit stouter spring for my fat geezer ass, some spare gas and some luggage.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:11 AM   #3120
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However, unlike my KLR650, the spring on the CRF shock seems like it will come off by removing the assembly, loosening the locking ring and unwind the two threaded rings off the shock body. The KLR requires a special compressor to get it off...so you have to pay to have the spring swapped.
'Morning, Ed.

No Cogent spam this time, I promise, just first hand experience getting the spring off the CRF shock

The threads on the locking rings do not go all the way to the top of the shock body. CRF spring will need to be compressed to access the nut that locks the clevis unto the rod. Here's a couple photos, one a close-up of the top of the shock, the others showing my homemade spring compressor.





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