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Old 09-30-2012, 08:37 AM   #316
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1. Your bike is fine. Fi will vary rpms upon startup.

2. The only problem I see is comparing this bike to a 650 twin road bike. All do respect... That's just silly. Perhaps this was not the best bike for you if you were expecting 650 power from a 250 dirt oriented single. If you keep the bike and intend to ride it off road I would highly suggest a regear. It is cheap and easy and makes a world of difference. Honda built these bikes to deliver good performance on road and off but almost more importantly, high mpg. This is why the gearing is so tall from the factory

#1......so yours does exactly this too and you've had it checked out and they tell you it's normal? I've been around bikes plenty, FI varies on startup yes.....just like choking a bike, it runs a tad fast until things start warming up then slows....it doesn't go UP then DOWN, then BACK UP. I'm sure if this was as you say NORMAL, my Vstrom would do the same.

#2......as I said, hopefully it feels underpowered because I'm not used to riding a 250, perhaps you should read the whole post before giving your opinion of my silliness or choice of bike. This thing is a SLUG at this point, it's not the first bike I've owned, hopefully after break in, new counter sprocket, fi remap and pipe it will become fun. Right now it is not.

I would like to hear from anyone that has had the rollercoaster idle issue, if anyone has please. I didn't ask for a "Dr. Phil" assesment.
I thought I was pretty diplomatic lucky. Some thicker skin would go a long way for you. Additionally, If my fairly neutral words offended you, other not so diplomatic people on here will down right piss you off.

Sorry you took it the way you did.

Regarding the varying idle, Post a video. Otherwise it's impossible to know exactly what your talking about. I can tell you that you are the first to complain of such a problem though so far.

250's are not rocket ships but your assessment of this bike as a slug tells me this bike will probably never make you happy. I don't see this bike as a slug at all and I've owned and ridden many thumpers in my 20+ years of riding.

Additionaly, your making opinions and diagnosing what might be nothing after "2 miles" of riding this thing. My advice is to hang up the weestorm for a week and give this bike a good lashing in the woods... Or sell it, I'm sure someone would gladly take that slug off your hands.
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Old 09-30-2012, 09:04 AM   #317
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I would like to hear from anyone that has had the rollercoaster idle issue, if anyone has please. I didn't ask for a "Dr. Phil" assesment.
Had mine awhile now, no ocillations of the rpms at startup. Been pretty consistent since day one.
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Old 09-30-2012, 09:08 AM   #318
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Checked out the CRF250L today, nice bike, dealer was out of his mind tho, he wants $5,500 out the door , right...

some crappy cell phone pics i snapped



im 5'9 and could flat foot both feet on the ground, fealt heavier then my XT250 for sure, and the seat is really hard compared to mine, but is a real nice bike, i wanted a test ride, but they wouldnt allow it.

Some other guy was there trying to trade in his 2008 CRF230L for one of them, but he too thought the $1,000 extras in dealer bullshit was not right so he walked out.
Good pics ron...yep, $5500 is nuts.
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Old 09-30-2012, 09:26 AM   #319
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I thought I was pretty diplomatic lucky. Some thicker skin would go a long way for you. Additionally, If my fairly neutral words offended you, other not so diplomatic people on here will down right piss you off.

Sorry you took it the way you did.

Regarding the varying idle, Post a video. Otherwise it's impossible to know exactly what your talking about. I can tell you that you are the first to complain of such a problem though so far.

250's are not rocket ships but your assessment of this bike as a slug tells me this bike will probably never make you happy. I don't see this bike as a slug at all and I've owned and ridden many thumpers in my 20+ years of riding.

Additionaly, your making opinions and diagnosing what might be nothing after "2 miles" of riding this thing. My advice is to hang up the weestorm for a week and give this bike a good lashing in the woods... Or sell it, I'm sure someone would gladly take that slug off your hands.
I'll just chalk this conversation up to us being from different backgrounds, here in the south we are taught that if we don't have something constructive to say to keep our mouth shut. Sorry if I broke your skin with my comments, just sounded pretty "holier than though" to me.

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Old 09-30-2012, 09:31 AM   #320
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Good pics ron...yep, $5500 is nuts.
Where I live, they want $6350 OTD! I went to Utah and got it for $4499.
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Old 09-30-2012, 09:36 AM   #321
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Where I live, they want $6350 OTD! I went to Utah and got it for $4499.
Yowza, they like to stick it to first adopters but no way I would fall for it either. Got mine for $4395 so I'm not complaining.
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Old 09-30-2012, 09:50 AM   #322
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Yowza, they like to stick it to first adopters but no way I would fall for it either. Got mine for $4395 so I'm not complaining.
They add and extra 1500 to everything.
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:06 AM   #323
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Good pics ron...yep, $5500 is nuts.


Agreed I got two dealers to 5100 OTD started at 5900. Then went to Oklahoma (200 miles away) and paid 4499. Keep calling around. Look at Shawnee Oklahoma Honda or Chattanooga tn. This guys move tons of bikes and don't play games.
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:13 AM   #324
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Agreed I got two dealers to 5100 OTD started at 5900. Then went to Oklahoma (200 miles away) and paid 4499. Keep calling around. Look at Shawnee Oklahoma Honda or Chattanooga tn. This guys move tons of bikes and don't play games.
Question: When buying a bike in-state, don't you pay sales tax and other local fees? Isn't that included in the 'OTD' price? And when buying out of state you don't? But don't you end up paying those taxes and fees when you register the bike in your own state?
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:25 AM   #325
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Question: When buying a bike in-state, don't you pay sales tax and other local fees? Isn't that included in the 'OTD' price? And when buying out of state you don't? But don't you end up paying those taxes and fees when you register the bike in your own state?

Short answer is yes. I prefer to see prices for the bike and whatever else the dealer adds on for true comparison. We all have taxes/title which vary depending on region/State/locality.
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:47 AM   #326
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Question: When buying a bike in-state, don't you pay sales tax and other local fees? Isn't that included in the 'OTD' price? And when buying out of state you don't? But don't you end up paying those taxes and fees when you register the bike in your own state?
You are correct. I bought my bike in Utah, and took it home to Nevada. Here is the breakdown.

MSRP: 4499.00 OTD in Utah
TAX/TITLE/LICENSE: 393.66 in Nevada
TOTAL: 4892.66

The local store wanted 6350 OTD. Includes TTL.

Difference 1457.34. That's an awful lot of extra dealer fees.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:07 AM   #327
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I'll just chalk this conversation up to us being from different backgrounds, here in the south we are taught that if we don't have something constructive to say to keep our mouth shut. Sorry if I broke your skin with my comments, just sounded pretty "holier than though" to me.

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Old 09-30-2012, 11:19 AM   #328
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Agreed I got two dealers to 5100 OTD started at 5900. Then went to Oklahoma (200 miles away) and paid 4499. Keep calling around. Look at Shawnee Oklahoma Honda or Chattanooga tn. This guys move tons of bikes and don't play games.
Agree, got mine from southern powersports Chattanooga, 4399.00 before tax.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:23 AM   #329
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$5500? $5900? $6200? WTF?! These dealers crack me up. I cant blame them for trying to make a buck but man that is just plain crazy. I know the margin on this bike is pretty thin but no one should be paying a red cent more than MSRP. for them to charge these "popularity fees" just because its selling well isnt right. freight and prep are also bogus fees since the MSRP is supposed to include dealer profit for the 5 minutes it takes to uncrate these bikes, but o well. Capitalism is a bitch.

Im trying to find one for a friend of mine so I have been calling around -- I love how the dealers are all hyping this bike as a low volume bike and then touting how "extremely popular" it has been so far, just to get a premium for it. What a load of BS. The factory is pumping these out like crazy. Honda is just controlling supply to keep prices high. Good for honda, bad for consumer.

FWIW- I paid $4500 + PA tax and registered it myself. So maybe 4700-4800 total OTD.

Give it a month or two when the second and third shipments of these bikes come in, especially during the winter. The supply will be there and prices will drop as will the BS extra fees. Good luck to all that are shopping for one. Be patient and play the dealers against each other. At the end of the day, its just metal and they all need to move it off the floor.
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Old 09-30-2012, 12:00 PM   #330
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Man, that just seems wrong for some of these dealers to jack up the price to the level of some reported here, especially on a bike that Honda is clearly making an effort to be a real price point statement. I worked at a dealership, and I still don't like this practice. It's a little more understandable when the model bike is some kind of high zoot, new, performance model that will probably not have massive production numbers. This ain't that kind of bike.
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