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Old 03-23-2013, 09:39 AM   #3976
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New clutch, fresh tires and a change of oil.... My little LRP is ready to go explore Death Valley again!! thanks darling

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Old 03-23-2013, 01:22 PM   #3977
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I just installed my new SRmoto taillight. Man that OEM taillight is heavy. The install went smooth and the bike looks more like a dirt bike.
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Old 03-23-2013, 03:05 PM   #3978
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Clutch

I may do the clutch mod and would be interested to hear what you folks that looked into it have learned. Iíve only notice slipping when I punch it on the street, it may happen in the dirt but I canít make out the difference between clutch and tire slip. I know that the CRF250L has a slightly beefed up CBR250 tranny and thought that the Judder spring clutch was to help lower the stress on the tranny even more by softening the peak load. When the tranny input shaft failed on my old BMW it left me stranded. A little clutch slip may not be so bad if it means I can still get home. What have you guys heard?

I blinked and missed about 100 pages so I apologize if this is has already been cussíed and discussed.
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Old 03-23-2013, 03:16 PM   #3979
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I may do the clutch mod and would be interested to hear what you folks that looked into it have learned. Iíve only notice slipping when I punch it on the street, it may happen in the dirt but I canít make out the difference between clutch and tire slip. I know that the CRF250L has a slightly beefed up CBR250 tranny and thought that the Judder spring clutch was to help lower the stress on the tranny even more by softening the peak load. When the tranny input shaft failed on my old BMW it left me stranded. A little clutch slip may not be so bad if it means I can still get home. What have you guys heard?

I blinked and missed about 100 pages so I apologize if this is has already been cussíed and discussed.
If the clutch on your bike is slipping, and it is still under warranty- then I would suggest you take it straight back to the dealer!
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:15 PM   #3980
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[QUOTE=Charleston;21017659]I may do the clutch mod and would be interested to hear what you folks that looked into it have learned. Iíve only notice slipping when I punch it on the street, it may happen in the dirt but I canít make out the difference between clutch and tire slip. I know that the CRF250L has a slightly beefed up CBR250 tranny and thought that the Judder spring clutch was to help lower the stress on the tranny even more by softening the peak load. When the tranny input shaft failed on my old BMW it left me stranded. A little clutch slip may not be so bad if it means I can still get home. What have you guys heard?

I blinked and missed about 100 pages so I apologize if this is has already been cussíed and discussed.

[ Hi I noticed my CRF was doing the same this after I had done all my mods to the bike. It`s only just noticable at this stage. I did check the clutch cable adjustment and it did seem as if there was a very small amount of tension on the clutch cable with the clutch engaged (level out). I`ve adjusted the cable, and there does seem to be a difference. I will keep an eye on this. There is always the option of using the CBR clutch interals in the CRF clutch body.
Steve]
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:38 PM   #3981
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[ Hi I noticed my CRF was doing the same this after I had done all my mods to the bike. It`s only just noticable at this stage. I did check the clutch cable adjustment and it did seem as if there was a very small amount of tension on the clutch cable with the clutch engaged (level out). I`ve adjusted the cable, and there does seem to be a difference. I will keep an eye on this. There is always the option of using the CBR clutch interals in the CRF clutch body.
Steve][/QUOTE]

I have found that adjusting the freeplay did help some, but not completely. Iím wondering if changing the clutch from the half sized plate/Judder spring to the standard plate like the CBR would put too much stress on the transmission guts when ridden hard like we ride them. Maybe the clutch is designed to slip at high loads to protect the tranny from loads that it is not designed to take?
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:47 PM   #3982
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I have found that adjusting the freeplay did help some, but not completely. Iím wondering if changing the clutch from the half sized plate/Judder spring to the standard plate like the CBR would put too much stress on the transmission guts when ridden hard like we ride them. Maybe the clutch is designed to slip at high loads to protect the tranny from loads that it is not designed to take?


I'll let you know, we have no judder spring in ours. Methinks no clutch is designed to slip when adjusted correctly and the lever is out, especially when going down the highway as you described.

There's a little talk about the judder spring a few pages back, and lots more if you do a google search. Granted, most of the thumper talk posts are racers or wannabe racers looking for something not all CRF250L owner would want in the feel of it.

I see the judder spring mod as being a tuning tool to have the clutch engage more abruptly, not something to overcome slipping that shouldn't be happening to begin with on a bike without a bunch of engine power mods.


More talk and info in this thread:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...8#post21008278
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:25 PM   #3983
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[ Hi I noticed my CRF was doing the same this after I had done all my mods to the bike. It`s only just noticable at this stage. I did check the clutch cable adjustment and it did seem as if there was a very small amount of tension on the clutch cable with the clutch engaged (level out). I`ve adjusted the cable, and there does seem to be a difference. I will keep an eye on this. There is always the option of using the CBR clutch interals in the CRF clutch body.
Steve]
I have found that adjusting the freeplay did help some, but not completely. Iím wondering if changing the clutch from the half sized plate/Judder spring to the standard plate like the CBR would put too much stress on the transmission guts when ridden hard like we ride them. Maybe the clutch is designed to slip at high loads to protect the tranny from loads that it is not designed to take?

[ I know honda beefed up the gearbox on the CRF due to the nature of off road riding compared to the CBR. They made the gears wider. Its a bit strange because the CBR`s are heavily tuned and raced in may Asian countries with no problems, they seem to handle the extra prower / torque ok. I know EBC make better quality fiction plates for the CBR that fit the CRF, so that may be an option ]
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:59 PM   #3984
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How to grease swing arm

The title says it all, I've got the instructions and torque setttings for the linkage; just need some more info for the swingarm bearings.... Any help appreciated!
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:54 AM   #3985
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The title says it all, I've got the instructions and torque setttings for the linkage; just need some more info for the swingarm bearings.... Any help appreciated!
Swingarm pivot nut 88 (9.0, 65) [N-m, kgf-m, lbf-ft]
Shock arm to swingarm nut 74, (7.5, 55) [N-m, kgf-m, lbf-ft] {Apply engine oil to the threads}

You doing metric down there?
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:15 AM   #3986
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Hi

The english owners manual say

Headlight H4 55/60 W

The Thai manual 12V 35/35W

Take my one out today , its H4 35/35 W

Looks like the weld in spark arestor is not the only difference
on the Model sold here in Thailand .

Replace it with a Osram Night Racer H4 55/60 W
Much better Light now.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:51 AM   #3987
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I'll let you know, we have no judder spring in ours. Methinks no clutch is designed to slip when adjusted correctly and the lever is out, especially when going down the highway as you described.

There's a little talk about the judder spring a few pages back, and lots more if you do a google search. Granted, most of the thumper talk posts are racers or wannabe racers looking for something not all CRF250L owner would want in the feel of it.

I see the judder spring mod as being a tuning tool to have the clutch engage more abruptly, not something to overcome slipping that shouldn't be happening to begin with on a bike without a bunch of engine power mods.


More talk and info in this thread:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...8#post21008278
Your bike is ridden hard so this will be a great test. Thanks for leading the way. And the Traveler thread is very useful, thanks also for getting that started.

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If the clutch on your bike is slipping, and it is still under warranty- then I would suggest you take it straight back to the dealer!

I only noticed the slip when in 2nd or 3rd gear at moderate speed on pavement and then nailed the gas wide open. Freeplay adjustment helped but if it gets worse I will take it to Honda as you suggested since my motor is stock.
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[ I know honda beefed up the gearbox on the CRF due to the nature of off road riding compared to the CBR. They made the gears wider. Its a bit strange because the CBR`s are heavily tuned and raced in may Asian countries with no problems, they seem to handle the extra prower / torque ok. I know EBC make better quality fiction plates for the CBR that fit the CRF, so that may be an option ]
Off-road is probably harder on the transmission because you can abruptly go from no traction to traction under full power like landing a jump. I wondered if Honda designed the clutch to take some of the shock out.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:24 AM   #3988
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Swingarm pivot nut 88 (9.0, 65) [N-m, kgf-m, lbf-ft]
Shock arm to swingarm nut 74, (7.5, 55) [N-m, kgf-m, lbf-ft] {Apply engine oil to the threads}

You doing metric down there?
Thanks SAPB, I have the files ready to go to do a writeup on how I did the swing arm service, just haven't had the time to get it put together. Shitty weather round here today, might be able to make some time to get it sorted out.
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Old 03-24-2013, 01:19 PM   #3989
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If you can ever swing taking a day off it's a good investment with your time and some insurance companies give discounts for completing the course, offsetting lost work .
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I see you are from NJ, be careful! People are crazy around here!!! They do the MSF course at Millville motorsports park during the week and weekends! I found the first day ridiculously boring but the second day was good. You get a license at the end which was my main reason for taking it! They go over some really good techniques and such that I felt made it worth it.
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The MSF instructors realize many people work on weekends, and can only take the rider safety class during the week. Therefore, I'm confident classes will later be scheduled during the week, especially after the riding season arrives in New Jersey. I strongly encourage you to contact the nearest MSF office to learn about the weekday classes.

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Yeah I'm sure I can benefit from the saftey course. I'm going took look into midweek classes. I didn't see any available at the community college where they have weekend classes booking but hopefully they will soon. Millville is not that far away so that's another option I didn't know about, thanks for the info.

As far as people driving crazy in NJ. I can vouch for thar. Especially in the summer since I live just outside of a beach resort. Of course I will be hitting the trails to avoid the summer traffic whenever I can but there are some Cracker Jack licensed drivers out here.

Thanks for the fuel type information. I'm going to use regular. One thing that has me scratching my head is the ignition. When I put my key in and try to turn it, I have to wiggle, push, pull, etc... to get the thing to turn to the on position. I'm going to read my manual and/or talk to the dealer. Maybe I'm missing a step or maybe it has a faulty ignition.
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Old 03-24-2013, 01:24 PM   #3990
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Your bike is ridden hard so this will be a great test. Thanks for leading the way. And the Traveler thread is very useful, thanks also for getting that started.




I only noticed the slip when in 2nd or 3rd gear at moderate speed on pavement and then nailed the gas wide open. Freeplay adjustment helped but if it gets worse I will take it to Honda as you suggested since my motor is stock.

Off-road is probably harder on the transmission because you can abruptly go from no traction to traction under full power like landing a jump. I wondered if Honda designed the clutch to take some of the shock out.
Able to take a brief ride today. Tried pulling the clutch in 3rd, and revving, and snapping, no slipping at all, really abrupt. Maybe they made my bike on a Wednesday.
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