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Old 09-07-2012, 12:04 PM   #1
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Why doesn't KTM put fuel injection on the bigger enduros?

Seems like with all the competitors (or most) fuel injecting things like their 500 class dual sports or enduros why hasn't KTM done this? I have more than a few friends who would buy a KTM 450 or similar tomorrow if they had fuel injection.

Also....any idea why the small tanks on these bikes? Another reason some guys don't buy...

I wonder if there are issues with emissions standards with FI being tighter or??
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:08 PM   #2
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KTM seems to be using FI on most everything for 2013???
Tanks are sized for medium sized rides and they offer larger tanks for big western rides.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:14 PM   #3
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the 4-stroke KTM enduros do have fuel injection now.

to which i say "boo", but some people obviously like it.

small tanks are lightweight and thin. large tanks are heavier and bulkier.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:15 PM   #4
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the 4-stroke KTM enduros do have fuel injection now.

to which i say "boo", but some people obviously like it.

small tanks are lightweight and thin. large tanks are heavier and bulkier.
Not the 400-500 class bikes. At least not according to the website.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:19 PM   #5
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Not the 400-500 class bikes. At least not according to the website.
whatever website you are looking at is wrong.

the 450xc-w and 450exc both have had fuel injection since at least last year. the 500 does as well.

personally, i'm glad my 2009 450xc-w has an FCR carb instead, but the new ones do not.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:21 PM   #6
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whatever website you are looking at is wrong.

the 450xc-w and 450exc both have had fuel injection since at least last year. the 500 does as well.

personally, i'm glad my 2009 450xc-w has an FCR carb instead, but the new ones do not.
I'm specifically referring to the street legal bikes. The EXC 450 is carbed and has been. The 500 is carbed. The 690 is FI. The only EXC that is FI is the 350 as designated by the -F

http://www.ktm.com/us/enduro/500excu...l#.UEo55lT0mc4
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:26 PM   #7
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i just went and looked at KTM's website for the heck of it. strangely enough, in the technical details for the 450/500 xc-w/exc, they don't mention the fuel delivery system at all. but, if you download the PDF owner's manual, you will see that they are fuel injected.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:29 PM   #8
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I'm specifically referring to the street legal bikes. The EXC 450 is carbed and has been. The 500 is carbed. The 690 is FI. The only EXC that is FI is the 350 as designated by the -F

http://www.ktm.com/us/enduro/500excu...l#.UEo55lT0mc4
that page does not mention fuel delivery at all.

if you click the downloads link and download the owner's manual, you will see that it is fuel injected.

here is a direct link to the owner's manual:

http://www.ktm.com/uploads/tx_ktmpro..._OM_175645.pdf

for example, look at page 100 which talks about "defect in fuel injection system" as a possible cause in the trouble shooting table.

i assure you, the 450exc and 500exc are both fuel injected. they were last year as well.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:32 PM   #9
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that page does not mention fuel delivery at all.

if you click the downloads link and download the owner's manual, you will see that it is fuel injected.

here is a direct link to the owner's manual:

http://www.ktm.com/uploads/tx_ktmpro..._OM_175645.pdf

for example, look at page 100 which talks about "defect in fuel injection system" as a possible cause in the trouble shooting table.

i assure you, the 450exc and 500exc are both fuel injected. they were last year as well.
Weird...the KTM dealer in Grand Junction CO just told me they are not and were not FI. I'd think that he'd know...but who knows.
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i thought for 2013 the 500 now has updated FI from the 2012 FI.
where are you getting that the 500 is not FI?
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Weird...the KTM dealer in Grand Junction CO just told me they are not and were not FI. I'd think that he'd know...but who knows.
that's odd as those guys have always been very knowledgeable
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:37 PM   #12
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but who knows.
i do...honestly. i have a few friends who have fuel injected 450/500 xc-w/excs. we also ride with a dealer (pure KTM/husaberg dealer, not a "every brand under the sun" dealer) who has a whole showroom full of them.

i would suggest not ever buying anything from that dealer who told you they are still carbed...and very definitely not taking anything there to be serviced.

on second thought, if he really does have a 2013 500xc-w with an FCR instead of fuel injection, lemme know...i wanna buy it.
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Old 09-07-2012, 02:11 PM   #13
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Weird...the KTM dealer in Grand Junction CO just told me they are not and were not FI. I'd think that he'd know...but who knows.
well my '12 exc450 has EFI the last time i looked.
all '2012-'13 ktm exc,xcf,xcfw,sxf 4 stroke from 250cc up are FI and anyone who says different is talking out their arse
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Old 09-07-2012, 02:36 PM   #14
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The "f" designation is not for F.I., it has meant 4 stroke since the 2006 250SXf and 07 450SXf.
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Weird...the KTM dealer in Grand Junction CO just told me they are not and were not FI. I'd think that he'd know...but who knows.
Wow, you mean a dealer actually didn't know something about the product they sell? Who'd of thunk it.
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