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Old 09-10-2012, 05:01 PM   #1
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Valve shim in my crank case? 950A

Has anyone ever found a valve shim on their magnetic drain plug (bottom of case)??

it looks just like a small shim, and was attached to my drain plug this afternoon when I drained the beast. . . last service was performed by the dealer, and they just so happened to do a valve adjustment during that service (almost 3k miles ago). This is the first oil change since that service (of course they changed the oil at that time too).

You can see a wear mark in the center of the shim, as if it were an old one that was replaced (and had been dropped?).

The bike runs and starts great.

Any and all thoughts are appreciated!
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Old 09-10-2012, 05:11 PM   #2
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Old 09-10-2012, 05:29 PM   #3
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Old 09-10-2012, 05:55 PM   #4
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Don't have a camera. . . but I'm 98% sure it's a valve shim.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:06 PM   #5
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How many miles on the bike? Check your clutch basket and make sure it isn't missing any of its tabs.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:08 PM   #6
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They completed the 10k mile sservice (valve adj, etc) before selling it on their floor. The PO traded it in for a new bike (Duke?), and so they sold it after the 10k service. I'm pretty sure the bike was serviced at this dealer since day one (local guy, local bike).

I'm not exactly a mechanic, and I'm trying to think. . . is it even possible to drop a shim and have it end up on the drain plug magnet?

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Old 09-10-2012, 06:10 PM   #7
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How many miles on the bike? Check your clutch basket and make sure it isn't missing any of its tabs.
Okay, thanks.
Wish I had a damn camera.

I will bring the bit to the dealer tomorrow and compare it. . . it does seem small for a shim.

Edit: About 13k miles.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:13 PM   #8
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They completed the 10k mile sservice (valve adj, etc) before selling it on their floor. The PO traded it in for a new bike (Duke?), and so they sold it after the 10k service. I'm pretty sure the bike was serviced at this dealer since day one (local guy, local bike).

I'm not exactly a mechanic, and I'm trying to think. . . is it even possible to drop a shim and have it end up on the drain plug magnet?

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Yes, It is possible. Lucky for them and you it did not get tangled up in the cam chain in its way to the sump.

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Old 09-10-2012, 06:13 PM   #9
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LC8's use 10mm diameter valve shims.

It's possible to drop one down the cam chain tunnel I guess though I'm not sure it'd make it down to the sump. I'm always super careful and block it with paper towel knowing my klutzy hands....
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:09 PM   #10
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Yes, It is possible. Lucky for them and you it did not get tangled up in the cam chain in its way to the sump.

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Or, the crank- DAMHIK.

This probably was not a valve shim, but in any case it didn't belong wandering around in my crankcase.





It was an easy fix though, I just had to change one part- one of these.

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Old 09-10-2012, 07:12 PM   #11
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Hey OP, out of curiosity what dealership did you buy the bike from and performed the service? I live in the front range, just being nosy really. I was uber anal and careful when I did my valves. It would suck to lose one of those guys in the engine.

Just had to change one part.... Eewwwph what a pricy part to replace...
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:14 PM   #12
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Thanks for the feedback guys. . . pretty sure a shim is what it is.

When I first saw it I thought, "oh shit, a valve shim".
It has the slightest ding on an edge. There was a little material (shavings) on the magnet as well, but it looked like my KLR's magnet usually did after an oil change - just kind of a dusty metallic material more than shavings.
It crossed my mind that they intentionally put it there to help capture metal debris (sticks up a bit further), but that can't be the case.

I'll be stoppiong by the shop with the bit to have a talk with them tomorrow. I'm assuming no damage was done (good Gawd I hope not).
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:18 PM   #13
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Damn, Mortimer. . . . Good thing you only had to replace one part after that mess!

I don't want to bring the dealer (name) in on this thread. Again, I'll talk it over with them tomorrow. . . and will try to post a pic up tomorrow too.
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Old 09-10-2012, 08:03 PM   #14
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The only reason I asked is that not all dealerships are going to know KTM bikes. Besides on one hand, knowing a bad dealership, IMO, would actually save people possible issues. Like the issue you have expressed. I for one would like to know which dealership(s) to stay away from: think of it as a public service announcement. But then again, I do my own wrenching; but for others out there it just might save them time, expense, and hassles. Mi dos centavos.
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:18 PM   #15
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Confirmed: shim.

They don't know how it happened, but certainly agreed that it shouldn't have been there (duh). He said he felt bad (and was concerned about work like that). . . and that was about it. Like I said, the bike runs great, so. . . .

The mechanic and owner said that it could fairly easily make its way into the crankcase - and that, "well, the magnet did its job."
A bit suprised there wasn't an apology. . . but whatever, I'm not hardly thin-skinned.
I bought a spare fuel pump, and left. A discount for my troubles and concerns??

Thanks all for the insights last night.
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