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Old 01-06-2013, 02:59 AM   #1471
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I find the seat on my Strada better than my '05 KLR 650 and much better than my '09 G650GS which I completely hated.
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:31 AM   #1472
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Thanks for the comments re the seat, guys, much appreciated. I've been riding bikes for over 40 yrs, both on and off road, and the one thing I can't figure out is how the mfgrs forgot how to make comfortable seats. Back in the 70's, seat comfort was never an issue. You could sit on them all day long and never think twice about it. One of the big differences is seats were a lot softer back then. Now they're hard as a brick and way too narrow - it's like sitting on a 2 X 4. And it's not just street bikes I'm talking about. I've raced a lot of motocross and cross country and the dirt bike seats were just as comfortable as the street bikes. Take a look at Malcom Smiths' Husky seat from the 70's and you'll see that it's much deeper than the seats of today, softer and much more comfortable to sit on, and it absolutely did not get in the way when you were standing on the pegs. The modern motorcycle seat is just ridiculous - I don't understand why the mfgrs make them like that when there is no need to.
While I've only been riding for 30yrs I think time might be clouding your memory a bit lol. I rode a lot back in early 80's and often resorted to all kinds of things to prevent monkey butt and I wasn't doing 700 mile days like I do now. Offroad bikes needed the extra cushion for when the suspension bottomed out and you certainly couldn't throw around the old Husky's like you can today. While I'll agree many seats are narrower but so was my ass 30 yrs ago and like most things time seems to forget the aches/pains of yesterdays adventures.
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:44 AM   #1473
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While I've only been riding for 30yrs I think time might be clouding your memory a bit lol. I rode a lot back in early 80's and often resorted to all kinds of things to prevent monkey butt and I wasn't doing 700 mile days like I do now. Offroad bikes needed the extra cushion for when the suspension bottomed out and you certainly couldn't throw around the old Husky's like you can today. While I'll agree many seats are narrower but so was my ass 30 yrs ago and like most things time seems to forget the aches/pains of yesterdays adventures.

Yeah, butt the back, the cheeks and just about everything else makes riding in our 50's and 60's a little harder to take. I used to race GP (80's and 90's) off-road up to 4-5 hrs steady and don't recall my butt ever being a major issue, now riding for an hour even on a wider plusher seat can be painful without things being setup just right. For me it's the depth of foam and seat witdth, not necessarily the softness, that is key. The Corbin foam is stiffer but works for me, for example.

I still ride offroad but have gone back to KDX200's (heavily modified) as the ergos, including the wide, deeper seat, make off-roading much more fun in my currrent state of disintegration. What's funny is the newer off-road thumpers (I went through several brands) don't have anything on my KDX's in the woods - just the opposite.

My dual sport WR250R almost killed me with the stock seat...I modified it myself and it still was too narrow...so I finally went to Corbin and had one custom made (wider and higher in front) and now I can ride all day. So far the Terra seat seems good, but I might plane down some of the hump later..
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:01 PM   #1474
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Thanks for the comments re the seat, guys, much appreciated. I've been riding bikes for over 40 yrs, both on and off road, and the one thing I can't figure out is how the mfgrs forgot how to make comfortable seats. Back in the 70's, seat comfort was never an issue. You could sit on them all day long and never think twice about it. One of the big differences is seats were a lot softer back then. Now they're hard as a brick and way too narrow - it's like sitting on a 2 X 4. And it's not just street bikes I'm talking about. I've raced a lot of motocross and cross country and the dirt bike seats were just as comfortable as the street bikes. Take a look at Malcom Smiths' Husky seat from the 70's and you'll see that it's much deeper than the seats of today, softer and much more comfortable to sit on, and it absolutely did not get in the way when you were standing on the pegs. The modern motorcycle seat is just ridiculous - I don't understand why the mfgrs make them like that when there is no need to.
Hey farp!

Our Moto Show is coming up and it's going to be there so maybe you can just sit on it for the whole day and pretend you're riding? Just kiddin!

We finally get to see this bike on Jan 17th!!

See you there!

Good to hear that most think it's a good seat though.

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Old 01-06-2013, 07:52 PM   #1475
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Hey farp!

Our Moto Show is coming up and it's going to be there so maybe you can just sit on it for the whole day and pretend you're riding? Just kiddin!

We finally get to see this bike on Jan 17th!!

See you there!

Good to hear that most think it's a good seat though.

Dave
Hey Dave, I'll be working the DSBC booth at the show so I'll definitely see you there. There's a small chance I might have even bought a Terra by showtime. I figure with the Terra and the Beta I'll be able to ride just about any where worth going on a bike. Can't wait. Ya know anybody who wants to buy a 2010 Versys? First thing I gotta get for the Terra is a skid plate, are you guys selling them?
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Old 01-06-2013, 08:25 PM   #1476
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Just how fast is it?

How fast is the new Husky TR650 Terra compared to other dual sport bikes? According to the Motorcycle Consumer News performance index...

0-60 mph
Strom 650 - 3.98 seconds
KTM 690 - 4.56 seconds
TR 650 - 4.57 seconds
F650GS - 4.89 seconds
G650 XMoto - 4.91 seconds
Sertao - 5.58 second
DR 650 - 5.66 seconds
XR650L - 5.83 seconds
KLR 650 - 5.99 seconds
DRZ 400s - 6.47 seconds


0-1/4 mile

Strom 650 - 12.52 seconds
TR 650 - 13.01 seconds
KTM 690 - 13.12 seconds
F650GS - 13.47 seconds
G650 XMoto - 13.93 seconds
DR 650 - 14.03 seconds
Sertao - 14.10 seconds
XR650L - 14.33 seconds
KLR 650 - 14.40 seconds
DRZ 400s - 14.93 seconds


Top Speed
Strom 650 - 115 mph
G650 XMoto - 109 mph
KTM 690 - 107.5 mph
F650GS - 105 mph
Sertao - 103.7 mph
TR 650 - 103 mph
XR650L - 98 mph
DR 650 - 95 mph
KLR 650 - 93 mph
DRZ400s - 90 mph


Horsepower, rear wheel
Strom 650 - 62.0 hp
TR 650 - 47.9 hp
KTM 690 - 46.21 hp
G650 XMoto - 45.5 hp
F650GS - 42.3 hp
Sertao - 42.15 hp
KLR 650 - 36.1 hp
DR 650 - 35.6 hp
XR650L - 33.3 hp
DRZ400s - 32.35 hp
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Old 01-06-2013, 10:16 PM   #1477
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Thanks for the info, Trail Boss. Looks like the Terra is more than fast enough to handle freeway speeds and should have no problems passing cars in the twisties. All that's left to do now is get a test ride, or at least get to sit on one.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:31 AM   #1478
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Why have the Strom in there and no other twins? What about the BMW twins or the Tiger 800 if you are comparing different engine configurations and also the BMW single version of the Terra just for interest.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:45 AM   #1479
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and where is the XR650R in that bunch?

about, or quicker than the TR?
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:23 AM   #1480
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Maybe because many are looking at the TR as direct competition to the entry level multi standard (DL)...and maybe because the XRR is not a street legal bike/in production/in the same class.
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:25 AM   #1481
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How fast is the new Husky TR650 Terra compared to other dual sport bikes? According to the Motorcycle Consumer News performance index...

0-60 mph
Strom 650 - 3.98 seconds
KTM 690 - 4.56 seconds
TR 650 - 4.57 seconds
DR 650 - 5.66 seconds
XR650L - 5.83 seconds
KLR 650 - 5.99 seconds
DRZ 400s - 6.47 seconds


0-1/4 mile

Strom 650 - 12.52 seconds
TR 650 - 13.01 seconds
KTM 690 - 13.12 seconds
DR 650 - 14.03 seconds
XR650L - 14.33 seconds
KLR 650 - 14.40 seconds
DRZ 400s - 14.93 seconds


Top Speed
Strom 650 - 115 mph
KTM 690 - 107.5
TR650 - 103 mph
XR650L - 98 mph
DR650 - 95 mph
KLR 650 - 93 mph
DRZ400s - 90 mph
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:02 AM   #1482
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Comparison

I didn't include the 800 or 1200 adventure bikes because I consider them to be a different breed than the thumpers. I included the Strom mostly because I like the Strom but also because it's a 650.

I didn't include the XRR because the information is not in the performance index.

I should have included the Sertao so when I get a chance I'll add it to the list.
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:15 AM   #1483
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Maybe because many are looking at the TR as direct competition to the entry level multi standard (DL)...and maybe because the XRR is not a street legal bike/in production/in the same class.
And, because it's been out of production for closing in on a decade now.
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:44 PM   #1484
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Hey Dave, I'll be working the DSBC booth at the show so I'll definitely see you there. There's a small chance I might have even bought a Terra by showtime. I figure with the Terra and the Beta I'll be able to ride just about any where worth going on a bike. Can't wait. Ya know anybody who wants to buy a 2010 Versys? First thing I gotta get for the Terra is a skid plate, are you guys selling them?
Good on you for volunteering at the DSBC booth!

I've been buggin PacMo for the eta on the Terra but we'll know more at the show.

Don't know of a Versys buyer off hand...
Terra and the Beta is a great combo!!
Too much fun when I rode Justin's Beta!!

As far as making parts for the Terra I'm taking a good (long) look at it but I can't promise anything yet... I do have two parts for it floating around in my head though. Also since the side stand is the same as the F800 GS ours fit's it so that's a start.

See you at the show!

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Old 01-07-2013, 04:25 PM   #1485
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Wow! I never thought the lowly KLR would put the smack down on a DRZ.

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