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Old 03-03-2013, 07:27 PM   #1756
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Now that passing on the yellow is OK, it might spice up things a bit.

Oh yeah, I guess RV did the math and decided that first was better than second.
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Old 03-03-2013, 07:45 PM   #1757
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Now that passing on the yellow is OK, it might spice up things a bit.

Oh yeah, I guess RV did the math and decided that first was better than second.
IS passing under a yellow o.k. now? I thought it wasn't? When RV passed Stewart he had just passed a Red Cross flag (by maybe 20') and was along side two more waving yellows. When a Red Cross is waved, for how long does the no-passing rule apply? Until you pass the flag (this doesn't seem right)? Or into the following corner? Will be interesting to see if anything comes of this.
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Old 03-03-2013, 07:48 PM   #1758
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Yeah it didn't download for me either/messed up.

Looks like they are all up on this bros channel though.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ipad3daily?feature=watch

Check your local listing for your CBS, OKC channel 9 (CBS) has it on at 2:30 AM Monday.


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Old 03-03-2013, 07:53 PM   #1759
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IS passing under a yellow o.k. now? I thought it wasn't? When RV passed Stewart he had just passed a Red Cross flag (by maybe 20') and was along side two more waving yellows. When a Red Cross is waved, for how long does the no-passing rule apply? Until you pass the flag (this doesn't seem right)? Or into the following corner? Will be interesting to see if anything comes of this.
Here's the dope on passing under the various flags.

http://www.racerxonline.com/2013/03/...d-yellow-flags

Apparently the pass under the yellows was legal....if he was out of the Red Cross zone.
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Old 03-03-2013, 09:06 PM   #1760
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Here's the dope on passing under the various flags.

http://www.racerxonline.com/2013/03/...d-yellow-flags

Apparently the pass under the yellows was legal....if he was out of the Red Cross zone.
None of this matters now. But...

Stewart clearly passed RV after he passed a red light but before they came up to a red cross flag. If you look, and you don't have to look hard. Coming into the corner JS passed RV on the left hand side of the track was a red light on and flashing before both riders got to the corner. Riders must roll each jump individually with no passing I sure the first red light is there because there might not be enough room out of the corner to slow down before the triple, but still it is a red light.

I think they just opened a can of worms with with the passing on yellow flag. It will make the yellow flag just a meaningless at the blue flag.

Haan said about lapped riders not getting out of the way and I'm sure he was talking about a Kawasaki rider (my guess Pro Circuit rider) that took a full lap to get out of the way. Now this guy wasn't trying to go slow or block he was just riding the fast line. And that is what gave Wilson a chance to catch up. He still would have just not as quick. At one point I thought one of the flag guys was going to hit him with the flag.

The 250 race was not as close as the tv made it seem. When Wilson passed Haan, then Haan passed right back, it was hard to tell that was a pass on TV. But after that you could tell that the only way Wilson would make a pass is if Haan messed up. That was the last two laps.

450 was much the same, they didn't show much of the last 6-7 laps because nothing was happening.


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Old 03-03-2013, 09:43 PM   #1761
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As proved last year,RV is exempt from the rules.
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Old 03-04-2013, 03:43 AM   #1762
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Both of those St. Louis mains were fun races to watch!!
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:45 AM   #1763
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Good article here from RaceX about colored flags and lights and what they mean.

http://www.racerxonline.com/2013/03/...d-yellow-flags

From what I can tell RV followed all the rules.
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:08 AM   #1764
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I see a no passing flag where RV passed. Do you?
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:13 AM   #1765
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I see a no passing flag where RV passed. Do you?
No...he is still clearly behind the #7 in this shot. Try again.
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:55 AM   #1766
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No...he is still clearly behind the #7 in this shot. Try again.
No.. He passed JS where the flag is in this picture. Look again.



Pass is initiated well before the flag and 95% completed just before the flag.
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:15 AM   #1767
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No.. He passed JS where the flag is in this picture. Look again.

Watch the video, he clearly did not pass Stewart until the SECOND yellow flag AFTER that cross flag. Clearly. However he was gaining ground all the way through that series of flags and positioning himself to push Stewart wide in the corner I suppose that's ok?

The real question is why was he only given a 3 place penalty instead of a one lap penalty at the first red flag?
I read the rules that you can do some things but I didn't see what the penalty is if you do?


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Old 03-04-2013, 06:15 AM   #1768
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No.. He passed JS where the flag is in this picture. Look again.

They look to be side by side to me...with JS's wheel still slightly ahead. That's not a pass....yet.
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:18 AM   #1769
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No...he is still clearly behind the #7 in this shot. Try again.
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They look to be side by side to me...with JS's wheel still slightly ahead. That's not a pass....yet.
Really? That's a pass in progress where there is to be no passing.
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:25 AM   #1770
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Really? That's a pass in progress where there is to be no passing.

Never heard of a pass in progress? Sort of agree. But who's doing what is the determining factor.


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