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Old 07-07-2013, 08:28 AM   #436
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After leaving the Packard Plant I stayed on East Grand Blvd. To the Macarthur Bridge and took it across the Detroit River to Belle Isle.I rode the perimiter of the Island and took this picture.
Detroit is on the right and Windsor, Ontario Canada is on the left.You can faintly see the Ambassador Bridge that connects them.There is also a tunnel that runs under the river.
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:45 PM   #437
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This situation is definately the pads, and after doing some research found that this is a common occurance with Galfer.
I knew it was the pads because I put the old pads back in and they were fine.
Then after taking some measurements with the Vernier calipers and feeling how hard the guide pins were to reinstall in the Galfers knew they were hanging up after application.
I found alot of guys misdiagnosing this issue and thinking it was other things like you mentioned.
This was a job for a couple of files, but frustrating because it should have been a 5 minute brake job.
I hope this info helps someone else.
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Never just replace pads. Always clean and service the pistons and exchange brake fluid ... and of course .. clean/lube up guide pins.

Why were your guide pins hanging up? I forgot to include them in my mini brake service tutorial ... but guide pins commonly corrode and impede movement. Sorry I forgot about them ... very important.

I always use Emory cloth to clean off corrosion and steel wool to polish them up ... then coat with Copper grease. If the pins are hanging up ... nothing will work right.

If the pads don't allow the pins to pass through easily then maybe you DO have a pad problem? And hogging them out a bit might be the solution?
I hadn't heard that ... but I only use OEM pads. (I think KLR also Use Nissin?)

No surprise the old pads would work ... that's because they are not jammed up against the pistons like your new pads are. The pistons can don't have to move much, so OLD pads work. But with New pads, it could be pistons are STUCK, not being pushed back into caliper enough to allow free running of the wheel without drag.
The pistons need their FULL RANGE of movement to operate correctly. If they hang up at any point you can get drag, poor performance and very uneven wear on your pads.
Corroded guide pins could be the problem?

Some drag is normal on brand new pads, but proper fluid bleeding usually eliminates most of it. If the caliper pistons have free movement and guide pins are smooth and lubed ... then the dragging should stop in just a few miles of use and gentle heat cycles.

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Old 07-07-2013, 06:34 PM   #438
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Greektown is an enjoyable area of Detroit with alot of Restaurants to choose from along with Casinos.

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Old 07-08-2013, 05:00 AM   #439
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Mine cost $7234 with 6 mths rego. ( new) Dont complain about petrol prices....usually around $1.40 / 1.45 a ltre. ( say $6.00 gallon )in Australia. Most I ever paid was $2.05ltre at Innamincka. .

I like looking at top shelf bikes. But the KLR is a bloody good bike for the $$$.
Where did you buy this new for 7.2? I'm in Perth looking for a 2013 but $8500 looks like the cheapest....
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:24 AM   #440
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Never just replace pads. Always clean and service the pistons and exchange brake fluid ... and of course .. clean/lube up guide pins.

Why were your guide pins hanging up? I forgot to include them in my mini brake service tutorial ... but guide pins commonly corrode and impede movement. Sorry I forgot about them ... very important.

I always use Emory cloth to clean off corrosion and steel wool to polish them up ... then coat with Copper grease. If the pins are hanging up ... nothing will work right.

If the pads don't allow the pins to pass through easily then maybe you DO have a pad problem? And hogging them out a bit might be the solution?
I hadn't heard that ... but I only use OEM pads. (I think KLR also Use Nissin?)

No surprise the old pads would work ... that's because they are not jammed up against the pistons like your new pads are. The pistons can don't have to move much, so OLD pads work. But with New pads, it could be pistons are STUCK, not being pushed back into caliper enough to allow free running of the wheel without drag.
The pistons need their FULL RANGE of movement to operate correctly. If they hang up at any point you can get drag, poor performance and very uneven wear on your pads.
Corroded guide pins could be the problem?

Some drag is normal on brand new pads, but proper fluid bleeding usually eliminates most of it. If the caliper pistons have free movement and guide pins are smooth and lubed ... then the dragging should stop in just a few miles of use and gentle heat cycles.

Good luck.
The steel backing plates for the brake compound on Galfer pads are not well made and need some relief.

The stock Nissin pads for the 08+ are the HH compound , the same as the EBC HH, both of which eat the EBC disc.

It is not a big job to take the pistons apart and clean them.

For a few months I could not determine why my front pads were dragging despite everything being cleaned out, pin cleaned and pads toleranced. I bleed the bakes every 2 years any way. I then decided to clean the master cyclinder out. There is a pressure release circuit there (very small hole) that relieves pressure on the caliper once the lever is released. Once that was cleaned out, everything has worked well. If you are going to clean the system, dont forget the master cylinder too.
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:32 AM   #441
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Where did you buy this new for 7.2? I'm in Perth looking for a 2013 but $8500 looks like the cheapest....
$6.00 a gallon! Ouch!

In the Southern USA at the moment we are looking at about $3.15 to $3.25 per US gallon
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:30 AM   #442
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The steel backing plates for the brake compound on Galfer pads are not well made and need some relief.
I use stock backing plates (from the Nissin pads) and transfer them to new pads. They usually fit OK. No idea about Galfer backing plates.

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The stock Nissin pads for the 08+ are the HH compound , the same as the EBC HH, both of which eat the EBC disc.
I don't believe the KLR uses a EBC disc stock, most likely made by Nissin, Sumitomo or DID. The trade off of GOOD, STRONG braking far out weighs the cost of replacing a rotor every 30 or 40,000 miles or so. Rotor wear depends lots on riding style. Sintered HH pads are the way to go ... most riders tend to go with EBC. I've used them off and on for years but find that stock Nissin pads are FAR BETTER. YES, more expensive but better performance, especially in wet conditions ... where EBC pads hardly work at all until HOT.
Compare any Nissin pad back to back to any EBC (HH to HH) and see for yourself.

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It is not a big job to take the pistons apart and clean them.
Agreed, and well worth it. Only caveat is AIR can get into the system and it's sometimes hard to bleed all air out when it's trapped in the caliper. Turning caliper upside down and tapping or using a Miti Vac type system helps.

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For a few months I could not determine why my front pads were dragging despite everything being cleaned out, pin cleaned and pads toleranced. I bleed the bakes every 2 years any way. I then decided to clean the master cyclinder out. There is a pressure release circuit there (very small hole) that relieves pressure on the caliper once the lever is released. Once that was cleaned out, everything has worked well. If you are going to clean the system, dont forget the master cylinder too.
I've not had this problem, but will watch out for it. But I have found "crud" in my master cylinder reservoir. Can't be good. I clean it out best I can without uncovering the bleed hole, that if uncovered, introduces AIR into your system.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:35 AM   #443
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I use stock backing plates (from the Nissin pads) and transfer them to new pads. They usually fit OK. No idea about Galfer backing plates.

I don't believe the KLR uses a EBC disc stock, most likely made by Nissin, Sumitomo or DID. The trade off of GOOD, STRONG braking far out weighs the cost of replacing a rotor every 30 or 40,000 miles or so. Rotor wear depends lots on riding style. Sintered HH pads are the way to go ... most riders tend to go with EBC. I've used them off and on for years but find that stock Nissin pads are FAR BETTER. YES, more expensive but better performance, especially in wet conditions ... where EBC pads hardly work at all until HOT.
Compare any Nissin pad back to back to any EBC (HH to HH) and see for yourself.

Agreed, and well worth it. Only caveat is AIR can get into the system and it's sometimes hard to bleed all air out when it's trapped in the caliper. Turning caliper upside down and tapping or using a Miti Vac type system helps.


I've not had this problem, but will watch out for it. But I have found "crud" in my master cylinder reservoir. Can't be good. I clean it out best I can without uncovering the bleed hole, that if uncovered, introduces AIR into your system.
By the steel backing plate I was referring to the steel plate onto which the friction material is bonded . You may be referring the the SS spring plate under the pins? 08's did not come with another plate behind the pad itself if that is what you might also be referring to?

I have compared the HH friction material of both the EBC as well as the Nissan - while probably not made by the same facility - (who actually knows? ) compound is the same and acts the same. Happy with them on my Beemer and on stock KLR rotors that dont score, but equally happy with the braking of the Galfer green on my KLR and not having to pick pieces of rotor out of the pad material. And yes, I do some serious braking chasing friends. The greens dont last long, but that I can live with.
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After leaving the Packard Plant I stayed on East Grand Blvd. To the Macarthur Bridge and took it across the Detroit River to Belle Isle.I rode the perimiter of the Island and took this picture.
Detroit is on the right and Windsor, Ontario Canada is on the left.You can faintly see the Ambassador Bridge that connects them.There is also a tunnel that runs under the river.
Cool photo, are you in Canada or the USA?
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:54 AM   #445
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By the steel backing plate I was referring to the steel plate onto which the friction material is bonded . You may be referring the the SS spring plate under the pins? 08's did not come with another plate behind the pad itself if that is what you might also be referring to?
Yes, sorry, misunderstood. The SS plate is quite good at elimination brake squeal. I'm surprised the KLR brakes don't have that.
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I have compared the HH friction material of both the EBC as well as the Nissan - while probably not made by the same facility - (who actually knows? ) compound is the same and acts the same. Happy with them on my Beemer and on stock KLR rotors that dont score, but equally happy with the braking of the Galfer green on my KLR and not having to pick pieces of rotor out of the pad material. And yes, I do some serious braking chasing friends. The greens dont last long, but that I can live with.
Well we all have different experiences. I suggest you do some Back to Back testing to get a closer comparison. I never really thought much about this until I did this. I was STUNNED at the difference!

My results comparing EBC HH pads vs. Nissan are quite different. I've used them BOTH on 3 bikes; total of about 160,000 miles. '02 V-Strom (90,000 miles) '06 DR650 (50,000 miles) '07 1050 Tiger (20,000 miles).

I really wanted the less expensive EBC pads to work ... and they do .. after a fashion. But upon switching back to Nissin pads (all three bikes use Nissan Calipers/ HH pads in stock form) ... braking was sharper, no warm up required, less fade and MUCH better wet weather performance ... especially on my Vstrom upon which I crossed Mexico in the rain on.

I believe Nissin pads are Made In Japan, EBC, made in USA I believe?? I've not tried Galfer Green, only Nissan, Vesrah and EBC on the above bikes.

Several DR650 riders discovered just how much stronger braking is with the stock Nissin pads vs. EBC HH sintered. Nissin cost more but sometimes can be found on sale. We tend to "get used" to braking power and don't notice as the EBC glaze over and gradually get weaker and weaker.

On my 1050 Tiger, which uses Radial Mount, Mono block Nissin calipers, has world class braking. But when I swapped in EBC pads ... all that performance disappeared. The EBC pads have to be HOT before they start to work well. Initial cold braking is pathetic.

OK for the race track ... but I'm a street rider and prefer good braking ALL the time. I'll be going back to stock Nissin pads once I wear out the EBC HH pads I now have on my 1050 Tiger. I rode a friends 1050 with stock pads to confirm my feeling on the EBC ... and he rode my bike and was shocked at the lack of braking power compared to his bike.

As usual ... YMMV, IMHO.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:21 PM   #447
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Yes, sorry, misunderstood. The SS plate is quite good at elimination brake squeal. I'm surprised the KLR brakes don't have that.
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Well we all have different experiences. I suggest you do some Back to Back testing to get a closer comparison. I never really thought much about this until I did this. I was STUNNED at the difference!

My results comparing EBC HH pads vs. Nissan are quite different. I've used them BOTH on 3 bikes; total of about 160,000 miles. '02 V-Strom (90,000 miles) '06 DR650 (50,000 miles) '07 1050 Tiger (20,000 miles).

I really wanted the less expensive EBC pads to work ... and they do .. after a fashion. But upon switching back to Nissin pads (all three bikes use Nissan Calipers/ HH pads in stock form) ... braking was sharper, no warm up required, less fade and MUCH better wet weather performance ... especially on my Vstrom upon which I crossed Mexico in the rain on.

I believe Nissin pads are Made In Japan, EBC, made in USA I believe?? I've not tried Galfer Green, only Nissan, Vesrah and EBC on the above bikes.

Several DR650 riders discovered just how much stronger braking is with the stock Nissin pads vs. EBC HH sintered. Nissin cost more but sometimes can be found on sale. We tend to "get used" to braking power and don't notice as the EBC glaze over and gradually get weaker and weaker.

On my 1050 Tiger, which uses Radial Mount, Mono block Nissin calipers, has world class braking. But when I swapped in EBC pads ... all that performance disappeared. The EBC pads have to be HOT before they start to work well. Initial cold braking is pathetic.

OK for the race track ... but I'm a street rider and prefer good braking ALL the time. I'll be going back to stock Nissin pads once I wear out the EBC HH pads I now have on my 1050 Tiger. I rode a friends 1050 with stock pads to confirm my feeling on the EBC ... and he rode my bike and was shocked at the lack of braking power compared to his bike.

As usual ... YMMV, IMHO.
Yes, the 08+ are Nissin calipers. I have tried the EBC on the KLR and Beemer. Beemer is actually Tokico (earlier up till 2000 were Brembo and now have gone back to Brembo) and the KLR a Nissin. The HH compound (both EBC and Nissin) do work great on the KLR, but also chews up the EBC discs badly, though not the stock discs. And yes, wore out one EBC disc. The EBC discs are made in England- I guess their pad material may be anywhere? The Galfer dont have the intial bite that the HH has, but thereafter are excellent.

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Cool photo, are you in Canada or the USA?
I actually took the picture on Belle Island which is in the middle of the Detroit River between Canada and the United States but the United States owns it.
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GM Rennaissance center/Marriott

I walked around in the impressive GM Renn Cen and then joined a tour up to the top floor restaurant of the Mariott which is 72 stories high and all glass with a 360 view of the city.
The elevator is also glass that shoots you up 72 floors as your looking over the Detroit River at Windsor, Ontario.
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