I've decided how I am going to vote.

[HellSickle]

Originally Posted by theantipaul

Might.....from the far left.

Originally Posted by _CJ

Three rights make a left?

Okay, this is my last Gary Johnson reference.

There is an energy solution for this county, It would make us completely energy independent, and it doesn't involve more drilling, natural gas, or importing more environment destroying "clean energy" devises from China. It's kind of long, but well worth reading in my opinion.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2491667

Good read. Thanks.

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides

Let's stop all this bickering and get back to the real point of this thread.



How's this been working out for you??

Thuper! Thanks for Athking!!!

Seriously, it's been awesome. We did 5MOH a week ago. The stock pipe is every bit as torquey as the Gnarly pipe I put on my old 300. I didn't set any time records, but I have to say it's the easiest trip I've ever taken thru there. A sticky trials tire, auto clutch, and left hand rear brake make this a piece of cake.

The old 300 found a new owner last week.

[FatChance]

Originally Posted by doc_ricketts

Not so, here is a quote from Obama's speech at Georgetown U. after he endorsed T. Boone Pickens goals to increase use of natural gas:

President Barack Obama expressed support for his idea to convert the country’s heavy-duty vehicles to run on natural gas instead of diesel.
In a speech at Georgetown University, Obama highlighted concerns about pollution from natural gas drilling, but said the domestic fuel could help to achieve a one-third reduction of imported oil over the next decade.

I sincerely hope that he stands up and champions those desirable goals with a realistic proposal to make it happen. He has had four years to do so and did not do it. I hope his pledge to offer that solution this time is more than political lip service to swing states that could produce new fields of natural gas (Bakken and Marcellus shale states in particular) to get elected again. Only time will tell and I will be the first to support him if he does so.

[TheDudeAbides]

Originally Posted by HellSickle

Good read. Thanks.



Thuper! Thanks for Athking!!!

Seriously, it's been awesome. We did 5MOH a week ago. The stock pipe is every bit as torquey as the Gnarly pipe I put on my old 300. I didn't set any time records, but I have to say it's the easiest trip I've ever taken thru there. A sticky trials tire, auto clutch, and left hand rear brake make this a piece of cake.

The old 300 found a new owner last week.

Yeah, I followed that 5MOH thread but didn't comment much.
I'll comment in threads like this even thought I don' t have much to offer, but in threads like that with real riders who know what they're doing, I just stfu and enjoy

That vid of Gordy cleaning the crux was bonerriffic.

[doc_ricketts]

Originally Posted by FatChance

I sincerely hope that he stands up and champions those desirable goals with a realistic proposal to make it happen. He has had four years to do so and did not do it. I hope his pledge to offer that solution this time is more than political lip service to swing states that could produce new fields of natural gas (Bakken and Marcellus shale states in particular) to get elected again. Only time will tell and I will be the first to support him if he does so.

Maybe you should do a little more investigation. This article makes it sound like he is tightly controlled by the natural gas industry:
http://www.wearepowershift.org/blogs...ls-destruction
And the Global Shale Gas Initiative is being pushed for the good of the US energy stature and for the role of cleaning up the air over China, which is devoted to massive use of coal:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/op...te-rescue.html

[Osprey!]

Originally Posted by StmbtDave

Ben's right...

Wait a minute. You remind me of a couple of guys....

[TNC]

Originally Posted by doc_ricketts

Maybe you should do a little more investigation. This article makes it sound like he is tightly controlled by the natural gas industry:
http://www.wearepowershift.org/blogs...ls-destruction
And the Global Shale Gas Initiative is being pushed for the good of the US energy stature and for the role of cleaning up the air over China, which is devoted to massive use of coal:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/op...te-rescue.html

doc, that's great info and great news, but I'm with FC on being a little skeptical. Why hasn't he mentioned this in the last 4 years? Don't get me wrong. I hope he's dead serious about this. The natural gas angle has been needing attention for some time. Is there evidence of his "dedication" to this idea well before the election process? Hey, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but his past tendency to loftily throw out the right words without followup are common enough to cause a wait-and-see attitude. I'm surprised that many of his supporters would be happy with the fracking aspect of natural gas.

Here's another good article about it. http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Ene...2511351258893/

I notice some articles on this issue apparently had a very Obama bias, as they said Romney was not supportive of natural gas development, when there is a lot of evidence of him clearly classifying it as one of his energy options among others. Just goes to show how carefully you have to read when checking into articles like this. This article I linked seems to be fairly even-handed in the coverage.

It's funny on the "clean renewables" that everyone always raves about. Even though Texas is known as an oil state, we've had wind power developing here for many years and produce more wind power than any other state. I can look out from my house in the country and see wind farms on the horizon in 3 different directions and also see 5 oil wells pumping. It's the smart thing to do...pursue just about all of it. And of course, the Pickens plan involves both natural gas and wind. Hmmm...that almost sounds like a joke.

[highmark1]

I didn't get a chance to vote(on this vote). NO I AM NOT Better off. Business is down 90%. I am or was a small business man. With the down turn in the economy and all of the entitlement programs I decided to take myself out of the tax paying base. So all of you who are entitled and work for the unions or the government now you get the chance to stand in my shoes for the next 4 years or more. I will now be the peeon who gets money back on my taxes and the free health care(not). I am glad those of you can buy a new motorcycle who do. I used to buy one every two years but now I will no longer spend on one. Welcome to the land of bigger government, more taxes entitlement and socialism. Party on dudes

[HellSickle]

Originally Posted by highmark1

I didn't get a chance to vote(on this vote). NO I AM NOT Better off. Business is down 90%. I am or was a small business man. With the down turn in the economy and all of the entitlement programs I decided to take myself out of the tax paying base. So all of you who are entitled and work for the unions or the government now you get the chance to stand in my shoes for the next 4 years or more. I will now be the peeon who gets money back on my taxes and the free health care(not). I am glad those of you can buy a new motorcycle who do. I used to buy one every two years but now I will no longer spend on one. Welcome to the land of bigger government, more taxes entitlement and socialism. Party on dudes

So, all of your troubles are attributable to the government? The point of my first post was to point out the fallacy of one of the GOP slogans. They would prefer to blame everything bad on the current administration, while claiming individual initiative for all positive changes.

[highmark1]

Nope. I am not blaming the current administration like the left wing nuts do(its bush's fault).The current administration just facilitates it. I hold the people that voted them in accountable. We live in a divided country the haves and the have nots. You can not have an even society across the board. There is always going to be a lower, middle and upper class. You cannot bring the lower up. They don't want it, they want to be taken care of. The middle is carrying the load., and you can try to tuoch the top but you won't.. the only thing ou can do is bring the middle down to match the lower to make it even. you can't touch the top. they just take their toys somewhere else to play. So I will be a pee on and take myself(essentially) out of the tax paying base. Let someone else pay for it. I'm tired

[doc_ricketts]

Originally Posted by TNC

doc, that's great info and great news, but I'm with FC on being a little skeptical. Why hasn't he mentioned this in the last 4 years?

You need to pay attention. He made clear statements on the natural gas issue in 2011 and refined these for his meetings and statement surrounding the State of Union Address in Jan. 2012. Remember that the shale gas issue has rapidly developed over his term. I know because I have a lease in the Barnett Shale south of Fort Worth.
Here is a quote from Bloomberg:

Jan. 26 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama said tax breaks for natural-gas powered trucks will help the U.S. cut its dependence on imported oil.

Obama, in his second day promoting policies laid out in his State of the Union address on Jan. 24, proposes a credit equivalent of 50 percent of the extra cost of purchasing a natural gas-powered truck compared with one that runs on diesel or gasoline.

“We have a supply of natural gas that can last America nearly a hundred years,” Obama said in the text of remarks in Las Vegas at a United Parcel Service Inc. natural gas refueling station built with the aid of money from the economic stimulus. “Developing it could power our cars, our homes, and our factories in a cleaner and cheaper way.”

[murgatroid42]

Originally Posted by Osprey!

... We've had rollbacks. For example, the motto E pluribus unum (out of many, one) was replaced with In God We Trust during the 1950's red scares. After all, we wanted to distinguish ourselves from those godless communists. Same with the Pledge of Allegiance. The phrase "under god" was added at roughly the same time.

Check the dates on these coins:







(Although it is rare to find the motto on coins before 1850)

[enduro-ince]

Originally Posted by highmark1

Nope. I am not blaming the current administration like the left wing nuts do(its bush's fault).The current administration just facilitates it. I hold the people that voted them in accountable. We live in a divided country the haves and the have nots. You can not have an even society across the board. There is always going to be a lower, middle and upper class. You cannot bring the lower up. They don't want it, they want to be taken care of. The middle is carrying the load., and you can try to tuoch the top but you won't.. the only thing ou can do is bring the middle down to match the lower to make it even. you can't touch the top. they just take their toys somewhere else to play. So I will be a pee on and take myself(essentially) out of the tax paying base. Let someone else pay for it. I'm tired

Sorry my vote fucked your business, but at the same time I had the best summer of work I've had in years, who shall I blame?

[_CJ]

The only thing green about wind power is the color of the toxic pools left in it's wake.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mosl...ous-scale.html

[TNC]

Originally Posted by _CJ

The only thing green about wind power is the color of the toxic pools left in it's wake.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mosl...ous-scale.html

Yes, but isn't this more indicative about how China does a lot of its manufacturing and energy production in-country than the "greeness" or lack thereof in the final product? It seems disingenuous to knock wind power because of "dirty" manufacturing process that could/should be addressed as a separate issue.

[mundobravo]

Originally Posted by TNC

Yes, but isn't this more indicative about how China does a lot of its manufacturing and energy production in-country than the "greeness" or lack thereof in the final product? It seems disingenuous to knock wind power because of "dirty" manufacturing process that could/should be addressed as a separate issue.

bingo ,,,