I've decided how I am going to vote.

[Osprey!]

Originally Posted by murgatroid42

Check the dates on these coins:

That's fascinating. It seems my info is wrong on when "in god we trust" began to be added as a motto. This needs more research.

[_CJ]

Originally Posted by TNC

Yes, but isn't this more indicative about how China does a lot of its manufacturing and energy production in-country than the "greeness" or lack thereof in the final product? It seems disingenuous to knock wind power because of "dirty" manufacturing process that could/should be addressed as a separate issue.

No, it's a demonstration of the hypocrisy taking place among the clean energy crowd. How can they possibly claim to care about the environment when they're supporting a manufacturer actively involved in destroying it? "Clean energy" is nothing but a dog and pony show to appease the democrats political base and shovel money into the bank accounts of corporations that support the party.

If anyone in our government really cared about the environment, they'd refuse to trade with countries that didn't follow the same standards we have in place domestically.

[TinkerinWstuff]

But while everyone was picking apart these and other flaws in Obama's speech, they overlooked the most frightening line of all. That was when Obama promised that he'd pursue "the kind of bold, persistent experimentation that Franklin Roosevelt pursued during the only crisis worse than this one."

Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...#ixzz2Be9zUtT9

[StmbtDave]

Originally Posted by Osprey!

That's fascinating. It seems my info is wrong on when "in god we trust" began to be added as a motto. This needs more research.

Oh no, you read it on the internet and it turned out wrong . I wonder what other facts are floating around that turn out to be incorrect

[TinkerinWstuff]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49737548.../#.UJvWzYbZ2So

belly up to the free-stuff bar kids

on the Puerto Rico referendum:

"Puerto Rico has to be a state. There is no other option," said 25-year-old Jerome Lefebre, who picked up his grandfather before driving to the polls. "We're doing OK, but we could do better. We would receive more benefits, a lot more financial help."

[TheDudeAbides]

Originally Posted by _CJ

No, it's a demonstration of the hypocrisy taking place among the clean energy crowd. How can they possibly claim to care about the environment when they're supporting a manufacturer actively involved in destroying it? "Clean energy" is nothing but a dog and pony show to appease the democrats political base and shovel money into the bank accounts of corporations that support the party.

If anyone in our government really cared about the environment, they'd refuse to trade with countries that didn't follow the same standards we have in place domestically.

Here's what I like about this place: We're all over the map politically, but everyone makes good points, has thought out positions and likes to ride motorcycles.
I've had beers with many of you over the years and I'd like to have beers with even more of you. (Mostly, I like beer).

[Junglerot]

How the hell has this abortion of a thread not been punted yet?

[TheDudeAbides]

Originally Posted by Junglerot

How the hell has this abortion of a thread not been punted yet?

Because now it's about beer.

[TinkerinWstuff]

Originally Posted by Junglerot

How the hell has this abortion of a thread not been punted yet?

abortion was a few pages ago - we've moved on

[FatChance]

Originally Posted by doc_ricketts

Maybe you should do a little more investigation. This article makes it sound like he is tightly controlled by the natural gas industry:
http://www.wearepowershift.org/blogs...ls-destruction
And the Global Shale Gas Initiative is being pushed for the good of the US energy stature and for the role of cleaning up the air over China, which is devoted to massive use of coal:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/op...te-rescue.html

Again, what legislation promoting the use of natural gas for US trucking, military or USPS has he asked congress to pass in the last four years? It is time for action and results, not more inflated political posturing. Where are his proposals?

[TNC]

Originally Posted by FatChance

Again, what legislation promoting the use of natural gas for US trucking, military or USPS has he asked congress to pass in the last four years? It is time for action and results, not more inflated political posturing. Where are his proposals?

Well, you've already touched on it a couple of times, and this is where I agree with you. Talk, talk...where's the action? I truly hope Obama will actually pursue the natural gas issue with some action. I will give him sincere credit if he does so.

[MartiniUp]

Dreams are wonderful but oscumma is pursuing socialism/communism and control of you. Nothing more. TinkeringWithStuff is paying attention. Hopefully more will.

[HellSickle]

Originally Posted by Junglerot

How the hell has this abortion of a thread not been punted yet?

Yeah, all the right wingers in Springs and Texas seem to keep pulling this toward a CSM topic. I vote that we let southern Colorado secede to Texas.

[_CJ]

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides

Because now it's about beer.

mmmmmm, beer.

[TNC]

Originally Posted by HellSickle

Yeah, all the right wingers in Springs and Texas seem to keep pulling this toward a CSM topic. I vote that we let southern Colorado secede to Texas.

Hey!...we don't want your kind around here. We have standards...no matter how low they are.

Speaking of secession, Since the election I've been waiting for evidence of a concerted effort by some in this state to pursue the mythical "right of secession" that many believe Texas has in its agreement with the U.S. when it agreed to annexation back in the day. I've been holed up in my bunker for the last few days only coming out long enough to check on a couple of helicopters I've heard overhead.