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Old 11-09-2012, 10:09 AM   #346
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Yeah, but Jeff, their high tech modes of transportation will outweigh any savings on that lower manpower number. I've seen this group in action, and while they're fairly impressive, I'm afraid the "gays in the military" thorn will once again rear its ugly head.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:56 PM   #347
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He obviously doesn't agree and doesn't have facts to support his points so I'm not going to bother with a response. I'm working here on basic principles we can agree on and he's jumping ahead to the divisive stuff of how many carriers we should have on the water.
Do you think it stronger response to talk about someone via third party?
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:58 PM   #348
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BTW, correlating GDP to the military budget as justification is total nonsense
Well, it matters to those who manufacture military hardware. When Mitt said that, they were salivating so hard, I m sure it took hip waders to get around the various military manufacture boardrooms.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:15 PM   #349
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Do you think it stronger response to talk about someone via third party?
are you attempting to show some level of sophistication with this statement?

No, I was talking ABOUT you not TO you as you can see because I quoted Dude not you when I made that statement. Talking TO you appears to be pointless. We were all getting along fine with our different ideals and discussing things civilly. Then you jump in bloviating with exaggeration and speculation without any factual information or specifics to support your opinions. Without specifics then there's nothing to debate and you're only here to create controversy as opposed to having a real discussion.

Maybe it is time for this to get punted. Regardless, I'm done here.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:42 PM   #350
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A much smaller, highly trained tactical force is more economical.
Or just quit meddling in other countries affairs, and respect their sovereign rights.

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Old 11-09-2012, 05:48 PM   #351
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Or just quit meddling in other countries affairs, and respect their sovereign rights....to invade Kuwait whenever they want, hijack oil we paid for, lose a war, sign a bunch of binding arms inspection treaties through the UN, then violate those treaties at will with no consequences and even kick out the weapon's inspectors they agreed to let in as part of their surrender.

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Old 11-09-2012, 05:58 PM   #352
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respect their sovereign rights.
What sovereign rights?

Seriously.. what provides a particular government a "right" to sovereignty? Our government removes parental "rights" from irresponsible parents every day.. and that's from a child they created. What gives an irresponsible dictator any more rights over a population or chunk of land?
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:01 PM   #353
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The non-stop political attack ads were getting so bad I was actually longing for the prescription drug ads. Ok, it's two days after the political ads ended and I'm over the drug ads .
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:08 PM   #354
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Or just quit meddling in other countries affairs, and respect their sovereign rights.
You mean like:
  • Iran's right to develop nuclear capability?
  • Israel's right to turn Iran into a crater?
  • Pakistan's right to shoot a female who has the nerve to try and go to school?
  • Afghanistan's right to foster terrorist organizations?
  • [fill in the blank country's] right to brutally oppress its citizens?
  • China's right to ignore others intellectual property?
  • North Korea's right to invade South Korea?

The ostrich method of international policy isn't going to end well. Both mainstream parties agree on that.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:14 PM   #355
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STOP THE PRESSES! Dude and I seem to agree on a political perspective??



What's next??
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:16 PM   #356
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The non-stop political attack ads were getting so bad I was actually longing for the prescription drug ads. Ok, it's two days after the political ads ended and I'm over the drug ads .

Dave, Here's one that combines the best (or worst) of both worlds

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Old 11-09-2012, 06:18 PM   #357
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STOP THE PRESSES! Dude and I agree on a political perspective?



What's next??

Is that a pig that can fly, or a bird that tastes like bacon??


Mmmmm bacon..
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:34 PM   #358
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Since we are all armchair presidents here, let's say you are king for a day.

How do you fix our 'spending problem'?

The first pie chart is the fixed budget, almost all non-discretionary except for the two slices top right. If we are willing to default on social security, medicare, or radically cut defense spending, problem solved. But nobody sees an easy way to do that... These are legacy spending issues that have been building for decades and are about as far from an easy answer as it gets.



I know! Let's cut the discretionary budget! But wait, that's mostly defense spending as well...



So even if you hate big bird, think public education is a complete waste of money, want zero dollars to go to planned parenthood even though 0% of that funding goes to abortion, think alternative energy spending is hooey, and cut them all, lets say in HALF, you still are talking about removing a spit's worth of spending in an ocean of problem. Those spending categories in my mind are red herrings... They might be your moral/political/social beliefs, but they have very minimal impact on federal spending and deficit.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:42 PM   #359
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Since we are all armchair presidents here, let's say you are king for a day.

How do you fix our 'spending problem'?
which slice holds the billions and billions we give to our ENEMIES in "Aid" so they are our "Friends"? THAT, is the part I would cut out first... then figure out how that will turn out and go from there.

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Old 11-09-2012, 06:46 PM   #360
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You mean like:
  • Iran's right to develop nuclear capability?
  • Israel's right to turn Iran into a crater?
  • Pakistan's right to shoot a female who has the nerve to try and go to school?
  • Afghanistan's right to foster terrorist organizations?
  • [fill in the blank country's] right to brutally oppress its citizens?
  • China's right to ignore others intellectual property?
  • North Korea's right to invade South Korea?

The ostrich method of international policy isn't going to end well. Both mainstream parties agree on that.
Excellent post, as is your next one.
Those are our responsibilities and that is our budget. I need to buy you a beer sometime.
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