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Old 11-09-2012, 10:25 PM   #391
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In the future I'd prefer at least our President being able to read and write at a 5th grade level.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:29 PM   #392
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In the future I'd prefer at least our President being able to read and write at a 5th grade level.
Well maybe he should've used a teleprompter then for every speech?
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:32 PM   #393
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:33 PM   #394
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Well maybe he should've used a teleprompter then for every speech?
Again, would have required the ability to read.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:34 PM   #395
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In the future I'd prefer at least our President being able to read and write at a 5th grade level.

Is this supposed to be a reference to a former President who graduated from Yale, graduated from Harvard Business School and learned to fly fighter jets?
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:35 PM   #396
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:39 PM   #397
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Again, would have required the ability to read.
Not true. It could just appear to be he was reading a great speech but really being feed everything into his ear. Not much different than someone who can read from a teleprompter but can't formulate a single cohesive sentence without one.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:35 AM   #398
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Without a global military you don't get your cheap consumer luxury lifestyle.
What good is a "cheap consumer luxury lifestyle"? Another fine example of what's wrong with this country.
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:34 PM   #399
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What good is a "cheap consumer luxury lifestyle"? Another fine example of what's wrong with this country.
One that allows you to buy TVs, computers, smartphones, Ikea furniture, 3000 sq ft homes, microwaves and bike parts for pennies on the dollar of the true secondary costs related to the manufacturing impacts.

I agree it's not good, but American excess consumerism drives a significant chunk of the world economy and necessitates a corresponding military to keep it all running. Convince us Americans to drastically change our lifestyles and you may have a slight chance at realistically eliminating our global military. Good luck.
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:11 PM   #400
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As a social security recipient (still about 2 years from getting Medicare) who was forced to pay FICA taxes for 45+ years of working in the private sector as an employee and employer (instead of having the opportunity to invest my earnings on my own) I have to ask which entitlements do you consider "unjustified"? I am taking benefits from insurance policies I was forced to purchase. If you had an accident on your motorcycle would you not take the insurance payments to repair your bike on the motorcycle policy you had paid for or would that be unjustified as well?
The people voted in people who would give great benefit to people and now those poeple expect that great benefit. Sadly, the benefit is greater than the people put into it. I think it is 3x more benefit than what was put in. Perhaps what should be done is put the payout back to what the pay in is. Which is 1/3 of what it is now, but the people will not stand for that as they want other people to pay for their extra benefit.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:17 AM   #401
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The people voted in people who would give great benefit to people and now those poeple expect that great benefit. Sadly, the benefit is greater than the people put into it. I think it is 3x more benefit than what was put in. Perhaps what should be done is put the payout back to what the pay in is. Which is 1/3 of what it is now, but the people will not stand for that as they want other people to pay for their extra benefit.
"other people to pay",,,,,,thats the key.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:59 PM   #402
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Cool2 observations

I've been out riding a lot this autumn and just had the opportunity to read through this thread. Some observations;

There were some comments made about Obama's socialist marxism and I know that media often cites this 'socialism'.
I have many friends in former soviet occupied countries and have had in depth discussions with them about the occupations. I have traveled several times to visit my friends in Poland, Czech Republic, Belarus, and Ukraine.

The Communist regime was in no way socialist. The government would be better described as faciast. Power was not held by the general populace but by the few powerful, wealthy party elite. This is in itself the definition of faciasm.
I have seen the effects of prolonged brainwashing by state media. This is still very prevalent in Belarus. Brainwashing is alive and well in the USA. Corporate owned media and our corporate owned government colludes to get their message out in very subversive means. The Citizens United ruling by the supreme court is one of the most perverse rulings in recent memory.

There were also comments about the socialization of health care - mostly refering to systems that don't work very well. Actually, Canadians who travel to the states for the winter are sure to be back in their country before the time limit is up so they don't lose the health care benefits. They don't come to the states for medical care but travel to Mexico as the costs there are extremely affordable. A gold crown in the states costs me $1200. and in Mexico it is $200. The gold is a major expense. Why is the cost so high here? Because they can charge it. My dermatologist here charged me $660 to remove a cyst. In Mexico it was $45.

My health insurance company forced me out after I had Cancer and a back surgery. I am unisurable in the private sector. In my case our health care system does not work. I believe the only way to fix health care is to get the insurance companies out of the business.

Back to socialism;
Why is the USA in such dire straights? Why is 1/6 of our population living in poverty? Why did we just witness the largest transfer of wealth in our nations history from the middle class to the wealthy? Why has the middle class lost nearly 30% of its equity? Because corporations treat people like commodities.

Why is Norway, a democratic socialist government, have a great market economy? Why is Norway one of the wealthiest countries in the world and we are sinking in debt? Why does Norway have the highest standard of living in the world and we are rapidly sinking with some economists putting us as low as 33rd? Take your dollars there and it will be like Mexicans bringing pesos here. Why are we becoming a third world country and Norway so successful? Because Norway treats its citizens as ASSETS.

Our government gives away our natural resources to wealthy elites. Sound familiar? Sounds like faciasm to me.

I don't know if it's our system of government or our national 'personality' of greed that has brought us here but it is apparent that what we are doing is not working. Norway is kicking butt and we're drowning in debt - and that's every politicians fault. And maybe our because we allow it. People should run corporations, not the other way around.

So please don't act like politicians and pick a black grain of sand off the beach and declare the whole beach as black. We should be so lucky as to have a government like Norway that actually rules in the best interest of their people..
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:23 PM   #403
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Wow. Well written!

I wonder if the average American knows the difference between Communism, Socialism, and Fascism.

Even if they can identify the major tenants, I doubt they know that America is the only industrialized country without universal coverage. It's quite sad, really.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:45 AM   #404
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Fascism is corporatism/Oligarchy. Corporate guided/elite cabal controlled.
Communism is NO private property as in NOTHING.
Socialism is " We the People". Public rather than private ownership of property and natural resources.
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Old 11-12-2012, 09:49 AM   #405
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The people voted in people who would give great benefit to people and now those poeple expect that great benefit. Sadly, the benefit is greater than the people put into it. I think it is 3x more benefit than what was put in. Perhaps what should be done is put the payout back to what the pay in is. Which is 1/3 of what it is now, but the people will not stand for that as they want other people to pay for their extra benefit.
For a married couple, both working and making average income and retiring in 2010, for social security and Medicare, the average tax paid in is about $690K and the average payout over average lifespans is about $882K, nowhere near 3x. It is worse if you are a single male, but lets go with the modern norm of a two income family.

In your proposal to shrink payout to what was paid in, would you adjust for inflation? Even if you did, how would you justify a 0% return as a viable alternative to a young person investing their tax money on their own over a lifetime of work? What is the incentive to vote for a change that will just give someone their money back with no return on that money at all? If the government started treating FICA taxes as an investment instead of a general fund source of cash, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess to the same degree as we are now.

The simplest way to start dealing with some of the future SS/Medicare liabilities (and maybe even start to phase it out if you wish) is to start raising eligibility ages. One can currently start getting SS at age 62 and Medicare at age 65. For example, keep the eligibility ages at 62/65 for everyone over age 55, then increase the eligibility ages by six months for every 5 years younger someone is than that (up to a max of maybe 75?). Since these current programs do not account for increasing lifespans, this simple step would start to make a big dent in total future liabilities without increasing FICA taxes and give younger people benefits over the same number of active years when they retire that older people (who will statistically not live as long as younger generations) do now.
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