Head Gasket with Gasket Sealer?

sh1bby69 · 10-03-2012, 02:47 PM

Just installed new valve cover gaskets and torque to specs according to Clymers Manual and the cylinder heads are leaking...it didn't call for gasket sealer should I have used it? I'm on my way to get new gaskets cause I found out I also pinched the cylinder base ORing.

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disston · 10-03-2012, 03:20 PM

Head gaskets do not get any sealant. The base of the cylinder might but I don't have a modern machine so I don't know. The head gaskets though never get sealant. If the head is not sealing there is damage to the sealing surface on the head or on the cylinder. Look at them carefully. This is not really a rare problem but hopefully next time you look more carefully because of this time.

The mating surfaces have to be clean and dry. They can leak because old gasket material was not cleaned off.

Sometimes a damaged part or surface can be fixed using a file. Better take a picture of any problems you find and we''l tell you, hopefully, if you can do it yourself or it has to go to a machine shop.

The surfaces have to be flat. You need a known flat surface to check the head surfaces and the cylinder surfaces on.

Did you torque everything properly? The torque value to use for final cylinder head torque is 25 ft/lbs. Any other figure from another source especially Clymers or the BMW Shop Manual, ignore. It's 25 ft/lbs in 3 stages. You get to do a re-torque after 1 or 2 hundred miles.

sh1bby69 · 10-03-2012, 03:24 PM

Yea everything was torqued according to the clymer manual. The head gaskets never leaked before. And I tried my best cleaning it even using a gasket cleaner and a plastic scraper.

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disston · 10-03-2012, 03:40 PM

So if it is leaking from the head to cylinder junction you will now have to take it apart.

You might like this one. I noticed the push rod tube rubbers or the base of my cylinders have started leaking on my R90/6. I'll probably get another look at it sometime next week. Don't wanna rush things.

sh1bby69 · 10-03-2012, 03:45 PM

Yea its only one side that I pinched the O-Ring but both sides have the leak in the cylinder head. I don't want to over torque it though

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SOLO LOBO · 10-03-2012, 03:47 PM

Could it be the valve cover gaskets leaking and not the head gaskets?

sh1bby69 · 10-03-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SOLO LOBO

Could it be the valve cover gaskets leaking and not the head gaskets?

Sorry yes the valve cover gasket.

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bmwrench · 10-03-2012, 06:06 PM

Chances are your cylinder heads are warped; this is a chronic problem on late model Airheads. Remove the gaskets and put the covers back on. You'll probably see gaps above and below the valve chambers. The best solution is to have the surfaces remachined, but you can get around it by putiing a bead of silicone under the valve cover gasket at the gaps or using silicone gaskets.

They didn't leak previously because the gasket slowly conformed to the heads as they warped.

sh1bby69 · 10-03-2012, 06:32 PM

I'll give that a shot.

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supershaft · 10-03-2012, 06:49 PM

Cronic problem on late model airheads? I have seen early model heads warp just as much if not more.

Same thing with lifter pitting. I see it happening to lifters across the board. I see it happening to relatively new lifters about as often as older ones. I certainly do not see it largely limited to a couple of years of one model. Not is the slightest.

Just saying to get a different observation out there.

bmwhacker · 10-03-2012, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmwrench

Chances are your cylinder heads are warped; this is a chronic problem on late model Airheads. Remove the gaskets and put the covers back on. You'll probably see gaps above and below the valve chambers. The best solution is to have the surfaces remachined, but you can get around it by putiing a bead of silicone under the valve cover gasket at the gaps or using silicone gaskets.

They didn't leak previously because the gasket slowly conformed to the heads as they warped.

I had leaking valve covers too....I ended up putting 2 gaskets on each side with no sealant...took care of the leaks.
Probably not ther right way but it worked. I check valve clearances fairly often so didn't want to use sealant.

AirGsPd · 10-03-2012, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sh1bby69

I'm on my way to get new gaskets cause I found out I also pinched the cylinder base ORing.

I am wondering how you know that you pinched the cylinder base o-ring. I just re-sealed my engine and have not had the chance to run it. Did your's leak at the cylinder foot? Just wondering what to look for.

disston · 10-03-2012, 08:42 PM

You mean the large O-ring between the cylinder and the engine block? Fits around the cylinder spigot? It is really hard to pinch that particular O-ring I think.

Write "valve cover gasket" 500 times on the black board.

sh1bby69 · 10-03-2012, 11:04 PM

Yea the large O-Ring. It's leaking just above the push rod seals.

sh1bby69 · 10-03-2012, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmwhacker

I had leaking valve covers too....I ended up putting 2 gaskets on each side with no sealant...took care of the leaks.
Probably not ther right way but it worked. I check valve clearances fairly often so didn't want to use sealant.

I've heard about doing that too. I'm gonna work on the bike tomorrow morning and see if the valve covers are warped.

10-03-2012, 02:47 PM	#1
sh1bby69 ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2010 Location: Orange County, CA Oddometer: 407	Valve cover gasket with Gasket Sealer? Just installed new valve cover gaskets and torque to specs according to Clymers Manual and the cylinder heads are leaking...it didn't call for gasket sealer should I have used it? I'm on my way to get new gaskets cause I found out I also pinched the cylinder base ORing. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 __________________ '79 BMW R65 sh1bby69 screwed with this post 10-03-2012 at 04:56 PM

10-03-2012, 03:20 PM	#2
disston ShadeTreeExpert Joined: Mar 2011 Location: Silver Spring, Md Oddometer: 5,027	Head gaskets do not get any sealant. The base of the cylinder might but I don't have a modern machine so I don't know. The head gaskets though never get sealant. If the head is not sealing there is damage to the sealing surface on the head or on the cylinder. Look at them carefully. This is not really a rare problem but hopefully next time you look more carefully because of this time. The mating surfaces have to be clean and dry. They can leak because old gasket material was not cleaned off. Sometimes a damaged part or surface can be fixed using a file. Better take a picture of any problems you find and we''l tell you, hopefully, if you can do it yourself or it has to go to a machine shop. The surfaces have to be flat. You need a known flat surface to check the head surfaces and the cylinder surfaces on. Did you torque everything properly? The torque value to use for final cylinder head torque is 25 ft/lbs. Any other figure from another source especially Clymers or the BMW Shop Manual, ignore. It's 25 ft/lbs in 3 stages. You get to do a re-torque after 1 or 2 hundred miles. __________________ Never memorize something you can look up. ---Albert Einstein

10-03-2012, 03:24 PM	#3
sh1bby69 ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2010 Location: Orange County, CA Oddometer: 407	Yea everything was torqued according to the clymer manual. The head gaskets never leaked before. And I tried my best cleaning it even using a gasket cleaner and a plastic scraper. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 __________________ '79 BMW R65

10-03-2012, 03:40 PM	#4
disston ShadeTreeExpert Joined: Mar 2011 Location: Silver Spring, Md Oddometer: 5,027	So if it is leaking from the head to cylinder junction you will now have to take it apart. You might like this one. I noticed the push rod tube rubbers or the base of my cylinders have started leaking on my R90/6. I'll probably get another look at it sometime next week. Don't wanna rush things. __________________ Never memorize something you can look up. ---Albert Einstein

10-03-2012, 03:45 PM	#5
sh1bby69 ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2010 Location: Orange County, CA Oddometer: 407	Yea its only one side that I pinched the O-Ring but both sides have the leak in the cylinder head. I don't want to over torque it though Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 __________________ '79 BMW R65

10-03-2012, 06:06 PM	#8
bmwrench Beastly Adventurer Joined: Nov 2006 Oddometer: 1,466	Chances are your cylinder heads are warped; this is a chronic problem on late model Airheads. Remove the gaskets and put the covers back on. You'll probably see gaps above and below the valve chambers. The best solution is to have the surfaces remachined, but you can get around it by putiing a bead of silicone under the valve cover gasket at the gaps or using silicone gaskets. They didn't leak previously because the gasket slowly conformed to the heads as they warped.

10-03-2012, 06:32 PM	#9
sh1bby69 ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2010 Location: Orange County, CA Oddometer: 407	I'll give that a shot. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 __________________ '79 BMW R65

10-03-2012, 06:49 PM	#10
supershaft because I can Joined: Sep 2010 Location: San Francisco Bay area Oddometer: 6,082	Cronic problem on late model airheads? I have seen early model heads warp just as much if not more. Same thing with lifter pitting. I see it happening to lifters across the board. I see it happening to relatively new lifters about as often as older ones. I certainly do not see it largely limited to a couple of years of one model. Not is the slightest. Just saying to get a different observation out there. supershaft screwed with this post 10-03-2012 at 06:57 PM

10-03-2012, 08:42 PM	#13
disston ShadeTreeExpert Joined: Mar 2011 Location: Silver Spring, Md Oddometer: 5,027	You mean the large O-ring between the cylinder and the engine block? Fits around the cylinder spigot? It is really hard to pinch that particular O-ring I think. Write "valve cover gasket" 500 times on the black board. __________________ Never memorize something you can look up. ---Albert Einstein

10-03-2012, 11:04 PM	#14
sh1bby69 ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2010 Location: Orange County, CA Oddometer: 407	Yea the large O-Ring. It's leaking just above the push rod seals. __________________ '79 BMW R65

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