Norra 2013

[crankshaft]

Originally Posted by Strong Bad

When you ride or race in Baja, you HAVE to be completely self reliant, to do otherwise is foolish at best. Half of racing in Baja is the logistical battle including pitting, chasing, hotels, transport, and personnel. A $1200 dollar entry fee is nothing, a $600 Mag-7 pit fee is so cheep one should expect little in return. Too bad this all comes too late for many "Bucket Listers" and "Dust to Glory-ites". I might sound a little harsh, but I've been doing this for over 40 years and have seen prolly more failures with attempting to race in Baja than successful efforts, especially since Dust to Glory came out.

Here we go again You forgot "ADVracer"

[wrk2surf]

Originally Posted by HogWild

Every year NORRA talks about some form of bonus for roadbook only users, or disadvantage to GPS users, but they have not implemented anything yet. They are talking again about it for 2013, but so far I haven't seen them commit to anything.

They should.. I didnt use it, it is not in the spirit of rally

[Maineroot]

I'm getting quotes on shipping containers from our 3 warehouse locations this week. Sandy wiped us out last week- we are getting back into shape.

HERE ARE THE SHIP POINTS
1. L.A
2. Rochester, New Hampshire
3. Austin, TEXAS

Once I get some #'s I can then get you guys an idea of what it's going to look like in terms of costs to get a bike to CALEXICO.

Stay tuned......

[desert650]

Originally Posted by Strong Bad

When you ride or race in Baja, you HAVE to be completely self reliant, to do otherwise is foolish at best. Half of racing in Baja is the logistical battle including pitting, chasing, hotels, transport, and personnel. A $1200 dollar entry fee is nothing, a $600 Mag-7 pit fee is so cheep one should expect little in return. Too bad this all comes too late for many "Bucket Listers" and "Dust to Glory-ites". I might sound a little harsh, but I've been doing this for over 40 years and have seen prolly more failures with attempting to race in Baja than successful efforts, especially since Dust to Glory came out.

I agree, self reliant is a must (undeniable). $600 to mag 7 for a "SCORE baja 1000" would be very "cheap," but for a NORRA type race, I don't think it is - there's no comparison logistics wise, or entry wise.
Relying on your paid support (Mag7 in this case) shouldn't be foolish at all. I've been a CHECKER for approx 10 years, so I know a thing or two about organizing pits, communicating with race teams, and relying on pits for support when racing. I've never "dropped the ball" when transporting fuel for a racecar/truck out to a pit, and neither has any of my club members - so I've never expected little in return.

If a "pit club" is going to offer pit support to racers (and charge them for it), then they better be able to back it up.

Being on a vintage CR500, I made the mistake (foolishy) of paying and relying on Mag7 to deliver pump gas to 6 pits (over 3 days). It's a pretty simple task actually, why would I expect anything else? But you say I should have "expected little?" HAHAHHA!!! Geez, I would have gladly paid double to "expect a little more than nothing." Or even triple to "expect something above average."

HAHAHAHA!

But whatever, $hit happens, right? Lesson learned. Hopefully some of you can learn from my mistake as well.

[Baja Dad]

Originally Posted by desert650

I agree, self reliant is a must (undeniable). $600 to mag 7 for a "SCORE baja 1000" would be very "cheap," but for a NORRA type race, I don't think it is - there's no comparison logistics wise, or entry wise.
Relying on your paid support (Mag7 in this case) shouldn't be foolish at all. I've been a CHECKER for approx 10 years, so I know a thing or two about organizing pits, communicating with race teams, and relying on pits for support when racing. I've never "dropped the ball" when transporting fuel for a racecar/truck out to a pit, and neither has any of my club members - so I've never expected little in return.

If a "pit club" is going to offer pit support to racers (and charge them for it), then they better be able to back it up.

Being on a vintage CR500, I made the mistake (foolishy) of paying and relying on Mag7 to deliver pump gas to 6 pits (over 3 days). It's a pretty simple task actually, why would I expect anything else? But you say I should have "expected little?" HAHAHHA!!! Geez, I would have gladly paid double to "expect a little more than nothing." Or even triple to "expect something above average."

HAHAHAHA!

But whatever, $hit happens, right? Lesson learned. Hopefully some of you can learn from my mistake as well.

Mag 7 was not good !!! at the NORRA Race this year.

Twice they were Set up in the wrong place.(day 1 and day 4)
one time on day 3 they did not make it to the pit location at all
most racers made it ,some with help from other racers.
Live and learn ............................

[Racer20]

Thanks keep me posted trying to decide on the best (most economical) way to get the bike out.

Originally Posted by Maineroot

I'm getting quotes on shipping containers from our 3 warehouse locations this week. Sandy wiped us out last week- we are getting back into shape.

HERE ARE THE SHIP POINTS
1. L.A
2. Rochester, New Hampshire
3. Austin, TEXAS

Once I get some #'s I can then get you guys an idea of what it's going to look like in terms of costs to get a bike to CALEXICO.

Stay tuned......

[Strong Bad]

Originally Posted by desert650

I agree, self reliant is a must (undeniable). $600 to mag 7 for a "SCORE baja 1000" would be very "cheap," but for a NORRA type race, I don't think it is - there's no comparison logistics wise, or entry wise.
Relying on your paid support (Mag7 in this case) shouldn't be foolish at all. I've been a CHECKER for approx 10 years, so I know a thing or two about organizing pits, communicating with race teams, and relying on pits for support when racing. I've never "dropped the ball" when transporting fuel for a racecar/truck out to a pit, and neither has any of my club members - so I've never expected little in return.

If a "pit club" is going to offer pit support to racers (and charge them for it), then they better be able to back it up.

Being on a vintage CR500, I made the mistake (foolishy) of paying and relying on Mag7 to deliver pump gas to 6 pits (over 3 days). It's a pretty simple task actually, why would I expect anything else? But you say I should have "expected little?" HAHAHHA!!! Geez, I would have gladly paid double to "expect a little more than nothing." Or even triple to "expect something above average."

HAHAHAHA!

But whatever, $hit happens, right? Lesson learned. Hopefully some of you can learn from my mistake as well.

Come on man, if what you say about being a Checker for the last 10 years is correct, you should know better. Thinking that race gas melted your motor is wrong. High octane race fuel burns cooler and slower than pump gas. It is intended for high compression engines to prevent pre-ignition. Pump gas could cause problems with a high compression engine set up to run race fuel (and possibly even melt it down if you are stupid enough to push it that hard) but race fuel in a standard compression engine is simply a waste of money and does NO harm. I'm betting what really happened is you guys partied with Larkin the night before and you forgot to put the oil in the gas. If you are not a bike Checker then you were partying the night before with Tony Tellier and Kras .

How could putting people out in the desert supporting NORRA be cheaper than supporting SCORE????

So yeah Checkers MC or Checkers Offroad?

[HogWild]

Originally Posted by Baja Dad

Mag 7 was not good !!! at the NORRA Race this year.

When I saw they had bad pit coordinates on their website, I told them they were wrong, twice.
http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/sho...=1#post1404304

[desert650]

Originally Posted by Strong Bad

Come on man, if what you say about being a Checker for the last 10 years is correct, you should know better. Thinking that race gas melted your motor is wrong. High octane race fuel burns cooler and slower than pump gas. It is intended for high compression engines to prevent pre-ignition. Pump gas could cause problems with a high compression engine set up to run race fuel (and possibly even melt it down if you are stupid enough to push it that hard) but race fuel in a standard compression engine is simply a waste of money and does NO harm. I'm betting what really happened is you guys partied with Larkin the night before and you forgot to put the oil in the gas. If you are not a bike Checker then you were partying the night before with Tony Tellier and Kras .

How could putting people out in the desert supporting NORRA be cheaper than supporting SCORE????

So yeah Checkers MC or Checkers Offroad?

HAHAHAHA!!! Well... I don't know better! that's why I'm a CHECKER!
Yeah, I was drunk with Kras... the night before (and Bowers too - lol) - but that was just a lucky guess on your part, and had no relation to the DNF i recieved. Didn't see Larkin, or TT, but I've been known to be drunk with those 2 cats as well. Come to think of it, I'm a better partier than a desert racer! HAHAHA!! oh, and it's Checkers Offroad by the way - what else is there?

Who the fu@k knows what they put in my bike, maybe it was some kerosene from their lantern. I wasn't on the bike at the time, and it really wasn't the point of my bitch. Just giving the heads up to anyone looking for "support" to maybe look elsewhere.

Now look what you've done, I'm actually debating dumb stuff over the internet. haha!

[desert650]

Originally Posted by Strong Bad

How could putting people out in the desert supporting NORRA be cheaper than supporting SCORE????

Cmon man, do I really need to answer this? But since you asked, I'll try to help you understand...

"Putting people out in the desert" sounds so simple, but it wasn't really what I was talking about. a point to point B1k is a much more difficult race to pit than a NORRA ralley. Usually, a longer more difficult offroad race (like a B1K) equals a higher "pit fee." right? More entries (B1K) would probably mean more vehicles in your pit, meaning more supplies to haul, and more people to help run the pit, and usually more pit locations. Pit locations would be much more difficult to get to as well - The more difficult the pit location better actually (and MORE EXPENSIVE). Co-Co's corner isn't really considered a good place to set-up, as chase teams can usually access those areas pretty quickly. Right?

This is kinda what I was getting at.

[Strong Bad]

Originally Posted by desert650

HAHAHAHA!!! Well... I don't know better! that's why I'm a CHECKER!
Yeah, I was drunk with Kras... the night before (and Bowers too - lol) - but that was just a lucky guess on your part, and had no relation to the DNF i recieved. Didn't see Larkin, or TT, but I've been known to be drunk with those 2 cats as well. Come to think of it, I'm a better partier than a desert racer! HAHAHA!! oh, and it's Checkers Offroad by the way - what else is there?

Who the fu@k knows what they put in my bike, maybe it was some kerosene from their lantern. I wasn't on the bike at the time, and it really wasn't the point of my bitch. Just giving the heads up to anyone looking for "support" to maybe look elsewhere.

Now look what you've done, I'm actually debating dumb stuff over the internet. haha!

Sucked you in didn't I???? Hahahahahaha! Checkers offroad.......that 'splains everything right there....Most of the time you won't remember partying with Larkin. "What about you Bob", Billy R or TT, now that's another story entirely. Prolly the biggest WTF was running a CR500 in Baja! Anyway, I owe you a beer for sucking you in Hahahahahahah!

BYW you aren't on TT's cheeze are you?

[desert650]

Originally Posted by Strong Bad

Prolly the biggest WTF was running a CR500 in Baja!

Fun while it lasted.

[Racer20]

Ok, so the Baja 1k is over. Who besides me is getting excited already for the M1K??? Wish we were closer and could actually do a little testing in the desert, not the same in CT..

[wrk2surf]

I will fly if someone buys!



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyot...item1c2db440f6

[Baja Dad]

Originally Posted by Racer20

Ok, so the Baja 1k is over. Who besides me is getting excited already for the M1K??? Wish we were closer and could actually do a little testing in the desert, not the same in CT..

Yes sir !!!!
It is time to do a little traing with my son.He will be racing a 450 in the 2013 event along with my self racing
(bike TBD) If everything works out FPS racing should have 4 bikes in the event and be offering Race Support at all three of the night layover points. Pease keep an eye out for some MC class ruel changes that are in the works.