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Old 02-28-2013, 12:51 AM   #46
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Could it be possible to convert a vrf800 Interceptor into an adventure bike? I guess there is some difference between the Crosstourer and the Interceptor, but its a matter of some changes and upgrades...
I think converting an NC700 is a much better option....It will look good too!
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:19 AM   #47
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That really made me sad to see the end of such a great little bike. Any body that has put miles on one of these knows they are effortless to drive on pavement and not bad off road. I ride an BMW ADV but my transalp will always be parked next to it and after owning a lot of differnt bikes the old ALP is the one I can,t part with.
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:36 PM   #48
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Fact is that Honda for the first time in years is the nr. 2 best selling motorcycle manufacturer in many European countries... Right behind BMW... With those new eco comuter bikes...

So from economical aspect, some one at the Honda R&D departement has pulled the right triggers. If we like it, or not...
Good points, and I don't disagree, this is the market Honda wants, not the high-end performance one (says the guy who rides a 20-yr old DS ) that most of us lust after.
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:00 PM   #49
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Fact is that Honda for the first time in years is the nr. 2 best selling motorcycle manufacturer in many European countries... Right behind BMW... With those new eco comuter bikes...

So from economical aspect, some one at the Honda R&D departement has pulled the right triggers. If we like it, or not...
Hopefully they will use some of the profits to expand & update their lines. The XR650L is way outdated for example. Honda went after the cheap and fuel fuel efficient market when the timing was right to do so. Credit is due there to keep the company moving forward. We also all know Honda can produce top-shelf machines, if they have a desire to do so...

Hopefully with some cash in hand, they'll find that mojo again. Hopefully a variation of the 450 Dakar bike will see the light of day as production machine. Hopefully Honda will actually make a real mid-weight ADV bike. Maybe one day Honda will bring the Crosstourer to the US as most everyone else has a bike in that segment yet Honda is still a no show. Maybe Honda will finally update their ST1300 to something new as most everyone else has been doing something in that segment. It's funny and kinda sad all at once that Honda is now the Lexus of the Chinese pricing method.

I'm glad Honda is selling bikes and has figured out that cheap and fuel efficient are selling for them. Some of us desire something better than that and Honda is not the mfg. for them anymore...at least not yet.
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:04 PM   #50
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Good points, and I don't disagree, this is the market Honda wants, not the high-end performance one (says the guy who rides a 20-yr old DS ) that most of us lust after.
they pick and choose which segment they'll try high-performance in.
and they rest stay cheap or old technology.
in the past it use to be Honda at least produced solid & far above C grade in every category and stellar in some.
Mr Honda made sure of that.
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:12 PM   #51
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Hopefully Honda will actually make a real mid-weight ADV bike.
AND SOON !

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Old 03-01-2013, 04:02 PM   #52
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they pick and choose which segment they'll try high-performance in.
and they rest stay cheap or old technology.
in the past it use to be Honda at least produced solid & far above C grade in every category and stellar in some.
Mr Honda made sure of that.
Hmm, my opinion; they're mailing it in for every segment. The CBR1000 was widely criticized for not having enough ELINT. Supposedly works good enough without it, but still would be nice to see Honda try and break new ground, maybe with electronic suspension? The VFR is a pig, MC didn't even include it in their most recent sport-tourer test (I didn't read that yet though, haven't had to take that long of a dump). The "cheap" bikes I actually liked (XR's) get discontinued in favor of the maintenance heavy CR-F's, but even those aren't top of the class anymore.

Did you see their supposed new superbike? Supposed to be an updated RC30/45 but exclusive like the NSR. Honda can build some serious hardware, they just price it so nobody can afford it.
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:17 PM   #53
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Yea...something like this...

or this...

and even this...


Adventure is something personal. But, as we dont get those interesting bikes from other parts of the world, we might build them. Crosstourer uses the V4 from the 800 and 1200 vfr.

For me the true advbike with load capacity would be a 700 to 800 cc bike twin, that could handle the Dalton, the highways and the Oregon Back Country routes. I will keep my TA it starts everyday, two cdi's and proven engine!

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It's possible to convert a Goldwing into something resembling an adventure bike, but it's a big one.

I think the NC motor would do OK for a cheap and cheerful adv bike. If they just borrowed the suspension off something else and swapped the plastic for bars and armour, I think it would be OK. The motor has the right characteristics.

Anyway see what happens. If people are buying enough of them you never know. With all the other variants they would have no trouble covering development costs. The only trouble I see is the "discerning adrenaline junky" rider. They should just pays the money and buy an exotic. That's what they are there for. It's good having choice.
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:52 PM   #54
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[QUOTE=.

Would you accept a parallel twin 700cc transalp with 50HP assuming it had proper protection and real off road suspension?

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Wouldnt NC700x be close to that now? It probably will be the closest you will ever see close to a transalp, or the cb500x. Most of you guys dont like the stock shocks, forks, wheels, anyways, so getting an nc700x and tweaking it for your style should make it good. If you really want a dirt oriented bike, go buy a dirt bike.
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Old 03-01-2013, 05:20 PM   #55
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Wouldnt NC700x be close to that now?
Not really it's sort of a half way point, which would be fine for most people but not all. All I am saying is that if you have a platform that is paying for engine frame development, the addition of some higher quality longer travel suspension off another model would be reasonably affordable and low risk. If the great adv minority then didn't buy them then the leftover bits could still be used. It's a low risk way of giving people a "transalpy" replacement. The more discerning clients may just not be interested though. Most of the tech required is small operations stuff. All Honda needs is a "direction". If they only sell 2000 a year Mr Iawata down the road could do them and supply them to Honda.
Small runs usually makes a big manufacturer annoyed. They just get in the way of the big volume stuff that cranks out 24/7 on one line.

If they did a whole new Transalp with all new components that was the equal of some of the exotics, then the price would probably be exotic as well and that typically leads to a lot of bitching about price because of some unwritten rule that a "Japanese" brand has to be cheaper. That problem has bitten a few Japanese brands in the past. It's not that the exotics are all made in exotic high labour countries, it's a brand thing. Plenty of people paying big money for bikes that are have heavy Indian, Thai or Chinese input.
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Old 03-01-2013, 07:42 PM   #56
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I am planning on taking my NC every where the Transalp went and more:

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/20...-honda-nc700x/

Post # 78. On this page:

http://nc700-forum.com/forum/nc700-m...d-plate-8.html
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Old 03-01-2013, 08:49 PM   #57
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I am planning on taking my NC every where the Transalp went and more:

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/20...-honda-nc700x/

Post # 78. On this page:

http://nc700-forum.com/forum/nc700-m...d-plate-8.html
Tell us how it goes.
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Old 03-01-2013, 09:00 PM   #58
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Tell us how it goes.
So far so good........maybe selling the Transalp real soon
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Old 03-01-2013, 09:14 PM   #59
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So far so good........maybe selling the Transalp real soon

I hate 2 say these things ,

I buried my Mother today ,

and ,


I found an all orginal , untouched , unmolested , never even looked at hard , sorry about being redundant but , never a single bolt , nut , etc , ever touched , under 800 mile specimen , that has been kept in a ac/heated enviroment , Transalp , a couple of weeks ago .

I'm gonna say , I"m gonna 1/2 to sell .

15 k for a funeral and Fixin's and I have to pay .

Gonna have to raise some funds in a bit .
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:52 AM   #60
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I rode my 89' TA everywhere for about 4 years, on and off road, and it is one of the best middle weight class all around bikes ever made. That being said, 2 years ago I bought a 05' KTM Adventure, and it blows me away everytime I get on it. Have ridden to Moab, all over Colo., and it is a backroads monster!!! A real off road BEAST!!! Sad to say the TA is not getting much love anymore! It is kept garaged and ridden for short periods now and then, but the big Katoom has my attention now!! Just sayin'.
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