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Old 09-19-2012, 08:36 PM   #1
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Mexico Roads Questions

We are planning a trip to eastern Mexico and I'd like to know if any of the roads listed below are paved.

1. From Villa de Cos, Zac to Charcas, SLP.
2. From Meir y Noriega, SLP (South of Dr. Arroyo) to Tula, Tamps
3. From San Javier Las Tuzas, ORO to Zimipan, HGO

Can anyone help?
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:19 AM   #2
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Sjoerd Bakker is the breathing Atlas of Mexico. I'm sure he'll chime in or just PM him.
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:55 AM   #3
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Here I is.
From ZIMAPAN to San Javier is possible on a new paved highway connection.
From Zimapan leave town on the southeast road to Mex 85 but turn off to South at edge of town at the big intersectionand follow the directional signs to QUERETARO,BERNAL and Cadereyta de Montes . IT first jogs southwest a bit but eventually crosses the state border on or near the hydroelectric dam. Have not yet done this route but it is definitely open and giving traffic a major shortcut.It winds up on Mex 120 south of San Javier.
If you are starting this tramo from the west on Mex 120 east of Cadereyta just keep your eyes open for the road signs pointing out the turnoff junction to Zimapan

From MIER Y NORIEGA to Tula is not paved

From Charcas west the road is definitely paved for the first 75km or so to Santo Domingo .This first stretch is desert and mountains,The last 40km to Mex 57 and Cos may now be paved , and for good reason as that area has a lot more scrawny irrigated desert farming
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I've always found www.maps-of-mexico.com to be a great help. Sure, it's old and out dated, but the paths shown are usually there..in some form or another..:)
No one map source is complete and correct, as you know.
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:14 PM   #5
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Ask and you shall receive.

The reason I need a paved road is that one of the people on the ride isn't a dirty person and is not confident about riding her F800ST on unpaved roads.

That is a good reminder on maps-of-mexico too. I'll take another look at it.
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Old 09-21-2012, 06:06 PM   #6
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The reason I need a paved road is that one of the people on the ride isn't a dirty person and is not confident about riding her F800ST on unpaved roads.
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At some time, maybe, stick her on your light bike and see how she does off-pavement.

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Old 09-22-2012, 02:26 PM   #7
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Lone Rider makes a good point. Every person who has a motorcycle
license for the road should make a point of getting practice on ALL
types of surfaces. Sticking to only pavement will be a handicap
because inevitably she will encounter gravel and loose surface in
construction zones or when pavement ends unexpectedly whether
you are in USA , Mexico or anywhere .
If she is " uncomfortable" on gravel she just needs more practice,
and she only needs to be able to ride on it with confidence , as in getting
ahead without stalling or falling. She does not need to emulate the flat
trackers or motocrossers among your group......none of the show-off stuff
like " backing it into a turn" or sliding both wheels or roosting a lot of dirt.
For the most part the rural gravel roads of mainland Mexico which actually serve
to connect villages are not much different than riding similar roads in USA.
The locals drive them everyday with pickup trucks and taxis.
Exceptions of course exist in the real rugged mountain tracks but you can
avoid those just by reading your maps carefully
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:25 AM   #8
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Sjoerd,
Are you the guy who puts together the hotel list of Mexico?

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Here I is.
From ZIMAPAN to San Javier is possible on a new paved highway connection.
From Zimapan leave town on the southeast road to Mex 85 but turn off to South at edge of town at the big intersectionand follow the directional signs to QUERETARO,BERNAL and Cadereyta de Montes . IT first jogs southwest a bit but eventually crosses the state border on or near the hydroelectric dam. Have not yet done this route but it is definitely open and giving traffic a major shortcut.It winds up on Mex 120 south of San Javier.
If you are starting this tramo from the west on Mex 120 east of Cadereyta just keep your eyes open for the road signs pointing out the turnoff junction to Zimapan

From MIER Y NORIEGA to Tula is not paved

From Charcas west the road is definitely paved for the first 75km or so to Santo Domingo .This first stretch is desert and mountains,The last 40km to Mex 57 and Cos may now be paved , and for good reason as that area has a lot more scrawny irrigated desert farming
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:21 AM   #9
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dirty roads

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Lone Rider makes a good point. Every person who has a motorcycle
license for the road should make a point of getting practice on ALL
types of surfaces. Sticking to only pavement will be a handicap
because inevitably she will encounter gravel and loose surface in
construction zones or when pavement ends unexpectedly whether
you are in USA , Mexico or anywhere .
If she is " uncomfortable" on gravel she just needs more practice,
and she only needs to be able to ride on it with confidence , as in getting
ahead without stalling or falling. She does not need to emulate the flat
trackers or motocrossers among your group......none of the show-off stuff
like " backing it into a turn" or sliding both wheels or roosting a lot of dirt.
For the most part the rural gravel roads of mainland Mexico which actually serve
to connect villages are not much different than riding similar roads in USA.
The locals drive them everyday with pickup trucks and taxis.
Exceptions of course exist in the real rugged mountain tracks but you can
avoid those just by reading your maps carefully
As we say in my part of the world "you are preaching to the converted".

Here is Dean, who came to us with limited off-pavement experience, on his first trip to Mexico via moto.



From http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...=317343&page=2

We will of course encourage the person in question to try unpaved roads, but time is short and she lives some distance away, so I don't know if it can be done before we leave.

By the way, I'm using your handbook for our guide to lodging. It's a great resource.



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Old 09-24-2012, 10:50 AM   #10
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That road looks familiar; is it between Bato and Urique?
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That road looks familiar; is it between Bato and Urique?
With the angle of the sun/shadows and the rocky terrain, I'd guess late afternoon on the western side of the CC area - maybe headed to Chinipas. Dunno.

Challenges are fun and rewarding. Remember that not all people don't know what hard rocks feel like when they go down...:)

IMO, her/him learning clutch control is important when messing around in rock gardens. But, that naturally leads on to another subject.

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That road looks familiar; is it between Bato and Urique?
No, that's the road from Uruachi to San Rafael just a few miles south of the Rio Oteros.

If you look at the ride report in the link above there is a map.
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:49 PM   #13
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Wow just reread that great RR. Brought back some really good memories. It doesn't seem like many are riding the canyons anymore.
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Sjoerd,
Are you the guy who puts together the hotel list of Mexico?
I'll answer: yes, he's the guy. The two books are a great resource. Worth every $CDN. Thanks Sjoerd!
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Sjoerd,
Are you the guy who puts together the hotel list of Mexico?
Yes guilty as charged.Thanks for the complement Flowbee and CWC

That road /mountain track could also be the one from Chinipas west up the mountain. That was the absolute toughest one I have tackled so far ,Did it in March this year. I am usually more inclined to ride at most gravel roads of a bit more civility , but since I was this far from San Rafael and pavement turning back was not an option.So I settled down and plugged away at it on the KLR and I made it to the top without any incident after that it was mor e comfortable road type. Was I ever happy and relaxed when I got to Alamos.
I would not want to see your neophyte dirt rider tasked with something of this magnitude until she gets really comfortable on unpaved roads.The old road down to Batopilas would be okay,yhat is a ride in the park compared to west from Chinipas

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