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Old 01-06-2013, 09:54 AM   #2221
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Mongolia used Mongolian (Uighur) script until the 20th Century. Then they used the Latin (English) alphabet, and switched to the Cyrillic alphabet only around the second world war. Same alphabet doesnt indicate any affiliation of countries. Americans use the same alphabet as Germans ... doesnt mean America is a vassal state of Germany or vice versa. Most of the world uses Arabic numbering. Doesnt mean Arabs have taken over the world. Just means the whole world thinks its a better system for expressing numerical ideas than the Latin numbering system was, or the Chinese numbering system was or any other numbering system. In the case of alphabets, the Mongolians tried latin script but decided cyrillic better represents their sounds.

Mongolia was part of China for about 200 years prior to 1911. During the last 100 years, its basically been closest to Russia. Russia acts as its defender. Mongolia is sandwiched between two superpowers, Russian and China, so needs to pick one of them to be its sponsor. Mongolian history shows Russia has acted as the better big brother. Russia never occupied Mongolia when it had the chance. China did. So thats why the Mongolians prefer the Russians as their protector.




Mongolian is nothing like Kazakh or Chinese. Its pretty unique. Mongolic is a language group all of its own. Its closest relatives are languages as diverse as Korean, Hungarian and Finnish - but they are very distant cousins. Kazakh is a Turkic language and closely related to all the other Turkic languages.

Out in the gers, its totally normal to see both solar panels and sat dishes. In fact its rare to see gers these days without both. There is always a motorbike (horses in the old days) outside pretty much each ger too. They use them to ride into the nearest town whenever shopping needs to be done. Or to fetch water from the nearest stream.
Thanks for a detail answer. But when you say "They use them to ride into the nearest town whenever shopping needs to be done" what is their source of money making?
As for the language, I may see that Korean could influence on it, but the so far away Hungarian of Finnish... that takes to catch up on some history lessons... :)
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Old 01-06-2013, 10:03 AM   #2222
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We talked as well as we could for a few minutes and I realised as he was gesturing towards the ger group he was also saying "ger"..."ger" mixed up in all the rest if the dialogue. I had a light bulb moment (I don't get many) and realised he was asking us to go back to the family ger.

I pointed and gestured in the direction he was indicating and he nodded.
I'm always one to keep steaming on if possible but this was an offer too kind to refuse.
We scooted over to a pair of gers standing separately from the others and dismounted. The family came out to greet us and his cousin came over to inspect the bikes. One of them climbed on to Bas' airhead and though he couldn't touch down-he was maybe 14 years old-it looked like he knew his way round the bikes controls.
Bas had clearly made a competence judgement watching the kid so after a minute he pressed the started and pointed across the landscape. Christmas for that kid!!
He popped it in gear and we ran along beside the bike until he was rolling, then he rode off, kicking it up the through a couple of gears and climbed a long hill. I though he might bin it on the turn ( about a Km away but he was fine. I said to Bas.." but what if he wrecks it?"...he replied "if he wrecks it he wrecks it and we'll sort it". It was a very generous act with someone he didn't know.
Actually the kid was fine and he rode very steadily back towards us and we stopped him on the run-in the same way we'd held it on the way out.
We got him off the bike and the Mother came out of the ger and asked us in for tea. Lovely people.
Just another gem in the golden crown.
Bas , your karma is great
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Old 01-06-2013, 10:10 AM   #2223
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Question for anyone of the group and thank you in advance if you have time to answer...hope its not a repeat question that I missed: I have several pairs of boots that are still decent to wear and one has a gortex liner. I have my opinions on this but I have never been in such a situation as any of you where your feet are wet daily and boots constantly full of water for this long. I have only had this happen for 3-4 days at most. For this ride and weather, are there advantages to gortex or similar liners in your boots or disadvantages. What about the health of your feet/skin?
I know this is a different kind of use, but years ago I used to spend a load of time hill walking. I tried a pair of goretex lined boots and they were fine in wet weather, but one you got water inside the boots from crossing rivers or boggy ground the water would stay in the boot. I went back to leather lined boots.

Goretex works fine if your feet (or any other part of your body) is warm enough to push the water vapour through the goretex.
A better idea would be decent socks such as merino wool. I bought a pair a few years ago touring Scotland (by bike) and its vastly better than any Thermal/wicking type socks. Much warmer even when wet.

Oh and this RR is just excellent, as all Colebatch's RR's are. Just wish I had the balls to do something like this
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:21 PM   #2224
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It was 600 km from Erdenet to Ulan Ude in Russia, where I would overnight. I crossed the border at lunchtime. I had pretty much done what I wanted to do, cross Mongolia in 2.5 days, despite losing 7 hours of riding time due to my wheel bearing problem. I enjoyed a long slow lunch on the Russian side and cruised slowly into Ulan Ude mid afternoon and checked into a Russian motel and went to bed early.

Tomorrow Irkutsk.
Walter, what route did you take from Erdenet to UU? Was it Darkhan - Sahbaatar - Kyakhta, or somehow thru Zakamensk?
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:43 PM   #2225
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Thanks for a detail answer. But when you say "They use them to ride into the nearest town whenever shopping needs to be done" what is their source of money making?
As for the language, I may see that Korean could influence on it, but the so far away Hungarian of Finnish... that takes to catch up on some history lessons... :)
The connections with Hungarian an Finnish are debatable. Must linguists now believe there are other reasons for the similarities between the languages. E.g. there is some overlap in vocabulary between Turkish (which is related to Mongolian) and Hungarian. But those are now generally considered loan words from Turkish.

Other influences could have come from the Mongol excursions into Europe during the middle ages. At one point Mongol troops were at the gates of Vienna and even Cairo. Had Mongolian tradition not required the Khan's family members leading the expeditions to return to Mongolia to discuss the succession after his death, European history and culture could have looked very different.

Remember, the Mongols established khanates at one time that covered not only Mongolia, China, and central Asia, but also large parts of India, Mesopotamia and major parts of Eastern Europe.

These nomadic people on their sturdy little steppe-horses established the largest land empire that ever existed.
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:50 PM   #2226
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Hello everyone. I was trying to hold out till I bought my ADV bike but I couldn't resist. This RR is so amazing I had to ad my 2. I'm new to motorcycling and I was looking to get either a BMW F700GS or a Triumph Tiger 800. I'm not gonna lie I'm not nearly as ballsy as the amazing group of folks as the ones on this trip. Another issue is I'm pretty short for a guy at 5'7" with an 30" inseam so most of the ADV bikes are to tall for me. I've been lurking here for awhile and I've picked up a lot of tips as to what bikes and gear to use so I thank you a lot. Anyway I just wanted to say hello and I'm waiting for the next RR
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Old 01-06-2013, 02:17 PM   #2227
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Hello everyone. I was trying to hold out till I bought my ADV bike but I couldn't resist. This RR is so amazing I had to ad my 2. I'm new to motorcycling and I was looking to get either a BMW F700GS or a Triumph Tiger 800. I'm not gonna lie I'm not nearly as ballsy as the amazing group of folks as the ones on this trip. Another issue is I'm pretty short for a guy at 5'7" with an 30" inseam so most of the ADV bikes are to tall for me. I've been lurking here for awhile and I've picked up a lot of tips as to what bikes and gear to use so I thank you a lot. Anyway I just wanted to say hello and I'm waiting for the next RR
GeorgiaBound...get out now whilst you a still have a chance...otherwise abandon hope all ye who enter here.
You'll be as nuts and broke as the rest of us.
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Old 01-06-2013, 02:54 PM   #2228
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Walter, what route did you take from Erdenet to UU? Was it Darkhan - Sahbaatar - Kyakhta, or somehow thru Zakamensk?
The only road border westerners can use for about 1000 km in any direction is at Kyakhta - so you have to use that one. For the trail I have a largely off road route from that border to Irkutsk, but right now I was in a rush with a bike that needed welding so stuck to asphalt
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:02 PM   #2229
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Stunning RR, enjoying every update.
Silly question but in the background there are no trees!
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:22 PM   #2230
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Silly question but in the background there are no trees!
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:36 PM   #2231
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The connections with Hungarian an Finnish are debatable. Must linguists now believe there are other reasons for the similarities between the languages. E.g. there is some overlap in vocabulary between Turkish (which is related to Mongolian) and Hungarian. But those are now generally considered loan words from Turkish.

Other influences could have come from the Mongol excursions into Europe during the middle ages. At one point Mongol troops were at the gates of Vienna and even Cairo. Had Mongolian tradition not required the Khan's family members leading the expeditions to return to Mongolia to discuss the succession after his death, European history and culture could have looked very different.

Remember, the Mongols established khanates at one time that covered not only Mongolia, China, and central Asia, but also large parts of India, Mesopotamia and major parts of Eastern Europe.

These nomadic people on their sturdy little steppe-horses established the largest land empire that ever existed.
In which they only continued a tradition that finds its roots in mythical pre-homeric times. Huns, Alans, Sarmatians, Scythians, Tocharians, just to name a few to whip up your appetite for more. Contacts with Europe intens, from the trade with Greek colonies in the Crimean to the police force in classical Athens, which was made up entirely of Scythian archers.
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Old 01-06-2013, 05:38 PM   #2232
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GeorgiaBound...get out now whilst you a still have a chance...otherwise abandon hope all ye who enter here.
You'll be as nuts and broke as the rest of us.
I'm a HUGE gear head so I'm used to my machines lording over my wallet! As far as the "fever" I bought a slightly used 09 Ninja 250 on a whim and was utterly addicted from the first moment I pulled out of the driveway!!!! This RR has been an amazing read over the past few days. You guys are having an amazing ride personally I would have never made it past the pretty women
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:47 PM   #2233
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Hey,

Noob here, but just wanted to chime in and say that I've thoroughly enjoyed reading your RR each cold night over the last few weeks. You've all done a great job of sharing the ups and downs of the trip and your willingness to address everyone's questions no matter how trivial is remarkable. This forum and the level/wealth of the information you've all shared reaffirms my belief that the web still has at it's core a connection vehicle that links all the good things in the world together.

The effort in research and planning which lead to linking all of these amazing trails together into a journey is again, remarkable. And then to sit down and pound this all out with pics and commentary, absolutely brilliant! Really looking forward to watching the upcoming release of the video.

Many thanks for the hours it took to put all of this together.

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Old 01-06-2013, 08:33 PM   #2234
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Re: Ewan and Charlie and BMW. I recall that in the film they say that KTM wouldn't give them bikes because they didn't believe they could complete the Road of Bones. Maybe KTM thought their bikes woudn't make it, or the riders weren't good enough. Either way.....
Re: Sponsership. Sounds to me like the Sibersky gang have extremely minimal "sponsership," if they could even be said to have any at all. This is in marked contrast to some rides I've seen where the riders declare that the purpose of the ride is to "raise awareness" of some illness, or negative social condition and then solicit donations of everything, even bikes sometimes, on the theory that they are a charity---in essence clothing their personal "dream of a lifetime" adventure so as to get everything handed to them for free. That just doesn't sit right with me. Walter & Co aren't doing that, and they have been very honest and forthright about the book, DVD, etc. Sibersky Rules!! Ride on!!! I'm dying to see if W made it to Moscow.....and hope there will be a photo of this young woman who launched him on this headlong rush across Mongolia.
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:19 AM   #2235
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Hello everyone. I was trying to hold out till I bought my ADV bike but I couldn't resist. This RR is so amazing I had to ad my 2. I'm new to motorcycling and I was looking to get either a BMW F700GS or a Triumph Tiger 800. I'm not gonna lie I'm not nearly as ballsy as the amazing group of folks as the ones on this trip. Another issue is I'm pretty short for a guy at 5'7" with an 30" inseam so most of the ADV bikes are to tall for me. I've been lurking here for awhile and I've picked up a lot of tips as to what bikes and gear to use so I thank you a lot. Anyway I just wanted to say hello and I'm waiting for the next RR
I'm only 1.69 and i'm riding the F800GS. Don't put limits in your head. I have a very good friend who ride a 950 [one of the tallest bike i ever seen] and he is also 1.69. In fact seeing him riding the 950 actualy convinced me to buy the 800.
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