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Old 03-20-2013, 02:02 AM   #4531
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Awesome RR. It is inspiring as it is easy to forget that Africa is not the only wilderness left.

Just curious Erik Gran Kvaase - Does this mean Eric the big cheese?
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Old 03-20-2013, 06:02 AM   #4532
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Old 03-20-2013, 08:27 AM   #4533
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Just wondering, are there any memorials along the ROB to the thousands (millions?) of slave laborers who died building it?
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Also there are gulag museums in Moscow and Khandyga and possibly other places
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Old 03-20-2013, 09:20 AM   #4534
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Also there are gulag museums in Moscow and Khandyga and possibly other places
Thanks Walter for this entire RR and the above info, I knew the moment the question was asked you would step up and supply the answer

MANY MANY Thanks for all your effort and leadership on this ride and RR.

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Old 03-20-2013, 10:43 AM   #4535
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Also there are gulag museums in Moscow and Khandyga and possibly other places
And the Mask Of Sorrow in post 4501 I presume.
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Old 03-20-2013, 03:45 PM   #4536
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Absolute cool video - thanx Steve

A technical question. which program did you use?
It seems that there was a video clip which was taken with a lower resolution (the clip at 09:00 minutes). How did you adjust that into the rest?
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Old 03-20-2013, 10:57 PM   #4537
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And the Mask Of Sorrow in post 4501 I presume.
Yes indeed, tho its really more of a memorial to the people who died in the Kolyma in the whole gulag system.

There were two types of Gulags ... mining gulags and road building gulags. The roads were only build to support the mines. Up in the Kolyma they were mining gold, uranium and tin mainly. The road gulags were secondary - the road building gulags built the roads to get the tin, uranium and gold out. The Mask of Sorrows were for people who died in the whole Dalstroi gulag project in the Kolyma region - road building, mines, the lot.

The little monument in Tomtor is specifically for those who died (or even survived) building the Road of Bones, between Magadan and Khandyga.

There are no known numbers for sure. Many numbers bandied about are bound to have been under or over exaggerated or even guesswork that is not even in the ballpark of other guessworks. So no one can even give a useful estimate. I have heard that 2 million people died in the Kolyma gulags altogether, and 700,000 of those died building roads. That seems kinda high in my view, when you consider the infrastructure up there, the limited port facilities that would have existed in Khandyga and Magadan back in the 1940s, and having seen the size of some of the gulags.

Also a lot of the stories such as the reason the Road of Bones got its name, from the bodies of dead prisoners having been buried into the road bed .... there is no documentary evidence of that, and as far as I know, despite the road being unmaintained and totally eroded in many places, not a single traveller has reported actually seeing bones in any of the eroded sections.

I think a lot of it has become urban legend.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:40 AM   #4538
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conversational Russian is not that hard to pick up. I learned enough .... The alphabet has a letter for every sound, way better than English or French (where every word has a silent letter). Also, my experience was that trying the native tongue was viewed very positive and I have some great memories of fumbling around with words with policemen until I got it right.
I was sitting in railway station with GF in Mariupol Ukraine and a guy sitting on the next bench had a question about the train. He shoved a little pocket translator in my face and wanted to know about the train to Kyiv.

To my surprise, I was reading the Russian part of the screen and didn't even notice the english part above it (he was from Wyoming). Natch, this surprised the WY guy also!

My Russian is poor beginner, but I can get along, somewhat fumbling and slowly. At least I became the guide for the GF on the Kyiv Metro and knew how to get around the city. The train tickets was a real challenge to me though.

Learn some Russian, it is good for you!

GREAT REPORT FROM WALTER (and whole crew) AGAIN!

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Old 03-21-2013, 03:49 AM   #4539
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Absolute cool video - thanx Steve

A technical question. which program did you use?
It seems that there was a video clip which was taken with a lower resolution (the clip at 09:00 minutes). How did you adjust that into the rest?
I use Adobe Premiere for video editing. It usually handles different formats pretty well. You can resize it to fill the screen
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:49 AM   #4540
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Thanks C-Stain. Do you speak Norwegian as well? Our achievments were totally a team effort and neither of us could have done this trip solo. Especially big greetings to Walter and Terry for letting us come along. And especially to Walter for inspiring and sharing this with all of us. If it was not for Walter most of us would never heard of the BAM road and these great places in Russia! The best part is that he just shares all his knownledge, tech details, waypoints, routes and everything with all of us here. That is amazing and should really be applauded - We had an easier job following Walters tracks!


You gotta love Google Translate! The only phrases I can speak to this day in Norwegian are "Read, read, read" and "I don't want to do the dishes!" I travelled to Norway in '96 and have a fondness for your country (and its women ). You guys did a fantastic job, and you have my utmost respect for finishing something that many of us will never get the opportunity to. Looking forward to the completed video...and more of your adventures!
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:29 PM   #4541
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Many thanks to all of you for taking us along with your trip to the far east! Love the way the story is told and the pictures that accompany it. Also, great video Steve! Really cool (and cold, from what I've seen). Glad you brought the GoPro's for quality video's and stills..

On to the next one! Spring has begun and summer's coming



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Old 03-22-2013, 02:57 PM   #4542
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UHD tubes do not prevent snake bites from rims, as I could experience in Morocco (running 1.1-1.2 bars in stones). Simple heavy duty from Michelin are made out of sturdier gum and are really resistant, light and small enough for the same (extreme) use. UHD are also more difficult to mount and also to patch (since they are much less flexible they create lots of shear tension on the patch, which may eventually come off)
The only UHD tube I ever used gave me a flat from heat build up when I hit a fast paved section on a hot day, with a heavy load. I forgot to increase the pressure in the rear tire when I came out of the mountains and hit the highway at high speed, about 20 miles later, the dreaded wobble of a rear flat A close inspection of the tube revealed a tiny leak on the seam and no punctures. I can only assume it was heat that did it. I run standard weight or regular HD tubes now, they are much easier to patch/replace on the trail.
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Old 03-22-2013, 04:33 PM   #4543
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If there are any critters pissing in it, drinking it unfiltered is a good way to get giardia.
If the stream is moving quickly (white water) I would not hesitate to drink it, unless it was immediately downstream from a beaver pond.

A fast flow will quickly kill any bacteria.
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:49 PM   #4544
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Not necesarily The cost of the container was about € 5.000,-. We were four guys splitting that.

There are lots of people passing through Magadan in some way. If you are not in a hurry you will always find someone to share the cost with.

If needed I have the numbers for Olga and Tanya. Yuri you will find on the Hubb
Thank you for your RR.
Will you please to share the contacts details of Yuri, or another considerable contacts for shipping motorcycle. thank you.

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Old 03-22-2013, 08:33 PM   #4545
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If the stream is moving quickly (white water) I would not hesitate to drink it, unless it was immediately downstream from a beaver pond.

A fast flow will quickly kill any bacteria.
Not necessarily. I was at an event outside Dubois, WY in the mid 80s where half a dozen people drank unfiltered water from a quick little stream full of brookies. Every one of them wound up in the hospital with giardia. If there was a beaver pond, it was several miles up stream. There was a fair sided elk herd up there and a lot of mule deer.
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