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Old 10-12-2013, 04:38 AM   #4771
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What case is that though?
In this case... simply to "see how they go - as a test of performance, durability and fun."
End of story.
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Old 10-12-2013, 05:50 AM   #4772
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Justjeff, Having owned a berg I can say that the gearbox is a fairly close ratio also. It was no problem for me as I wasn't using mine to cover large distances on roads of any sort. You would need to look into it a bit, but I'm fairly certain that the 690 has a wider ratio box than the 570 berg. After all, not only is the 690 a bigger and more torquey motor but it's also designed with road travel in mind.
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Old 10-12-2013, 06:43 AM   #4773
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End of story.
Yes sir

Only, it wouldn't

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Old 10-12-2013, 08:24 AM   #4774
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I am expecially interested in reading about how bikes fared on trips so I can try to avoid having issues on my own future trips.

After reading this and other Colebatch ride reports, I was looking for a 650 xChallenge to replace my 1995 Kawasaki KLX650C. Then I ran across the KTM 500 EXC. I ended up buying one and it has worked rather well for me for long distance mostly off road dual sport riding (with the proper modifications). My longest ride so far was only an 8 day / 1350 mile loop so I do not have to carry as much gear as on one of these Siberian expeditions or a perpetual ride. The terrain was definitely taxing but without all those water crossings. Since this bike is a cousin to the Husaberg 570, have you considered one? I don't see it on the comparison list.

I am excited to see what Colebatch rolls up to the start of his next adventure.
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Old 10-12-2013, 09:37 AM   #4775
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I DID say you would need to do it 100 times.,.
Actually, you can run the appropriate statistics and get fairly reliable results with three tests. Eight is better but if something happens three times in a row there is a very good chance you have identified a fact.
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Old 10-12-2013, 09:51 AM   #4776
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Actually, you can run the appropriate statistics and get fairly reliable results with three tests. Eight is better but if something happens three times in a row there is a very good chance you have identified a fact.
Damn...if I would have known this I could have saved a considerable amount of money that was, apparently, squandered on marketing research projects.
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Old 10-12-2013, 03:40 PM   #4777
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Actually, you can run the appropriate statistics and get fairly reliable results with three tests. Eight is better but if something happens three times in a row there is a very good chance you have identified a fact.
Fact is a little strong with a statistical analysis based on such few numbers. With so many variables its a nice idea but in the end futile IMHO. Fun for sure, bit of Top Gear type comparison.

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Old 10-12-2013, 06:02 PM   #4778
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Imho rider skill level is the most important variable. Some got it really good, most just a little

It's amazing to me what a highly skilled riders can do on a heavy weight bike let alone what they can do on a lite one.

Best advice is to shed the excessive pounds and get in excellent shape
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Old 10-12-2013, 10:12 PM   #4779
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Fact is a little strong with a statistical analysis based on such few numbers.
Not proven something to be a fact through stats with small numbers. However, if the same result occurs exactly the same every time, after the third time it might very well be how things happen.

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Old 10-13-2013, 01:06 AM   #4780
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Best advice is to shed the excessive pounds and get in excellent shape
And that's where (my) trouble starts...
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Old 10-13-2013, 01:15 AM   #4781
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What case is that though?
any case. Any question can ultimately never be "Proved" if you regard proof as being 100.0000% surety. Any judgement or assessment is a sum of circumstantial evidence, opinion and interpretation.

When you get into levels of philosophy, we cant even prove 2+2=4. All we can do it say it appears to always equal 4 each time we have tested it. That doesnt mean it always will, or that at extremes of speed, mass, or temperature that we have yet to encounter it will still equal 4.

You cant prove your bike actually exists. You can take pics of it, ride it, sit on it, but that's all just circumstantial evidence of its existence. Its just your opinion that it exists. And maybe the opinion of everyone else on the planet. That doesnt mean you have proved it exists.

At some point, you have to stop being pedantic and say for all practical intents and purposes, the fact that everyone on the planet believes your bike exists or that 2+2=4 means that the fact can considered to be "proven".

If you do a 3 month ride 100 times with 100 different random riders and one particular bike breaks down earlier than the others every single time, then for all practical intents and purposes you can say you have proved its not the most durable bike available for that particular ride.

Statistics are a great real world example. They are able to be manipulated and interpreted so many different ways .... and yet, huge sections of the real world global economy are based on them, based on statistical analysis of real world testing, and based on probability derived from statistics. Everything from medicine to engineering to finance to insurance ... its all just probability and statistics and interpretation of testing. None of which PROVES anything. And yet they would all be impossible without opinion and interpretation of tests and the derived real world probabilities.
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Old 10-13-2013, 01:24 AM   #4782
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We agree again. Twice in a week. :)

It's a cool idea to take all different bikes along something but pointless to conclude anything from though.

No 2 trips are ever the same. Which is great.

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Old 10-13-2013, 05:39 AM   #4783
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So, some keyboard mathematicians are taking one to task who has been there and done that many times, over his best guess and advice when asked?
Why? Enjoy the pics and stories and vids, ask a question, go , and spend your money the way you like. But don't argue with the man.
Much ado about nothing.
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Old 10-13-2013, 06:07 AM   #4784
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Thanks Walter! Just wanted to fit this in as it is appropriate for other viewers but not necessarily on this ride report. I was a Dakar owner and after doing some Colorado trails realized the weaknesses and switched to the X bike. Both have their strong points but the X has more for my riding needs than the Dakar. I see weight as the primary concern and starting point as I want to enjoy my riding trips and not fight a heavy bike as I would lose that battle more times than not. It was because of your research and build up that I made the switch. I am a grown man (some will debate that) and can make my own decisions. I could also do my own research but when someone is willing to share their research with testing I have to take that into account. The bike has performed great with some of the mods I made some that you have done and some that I felt suited me better. But either way. Thanks
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Old 10-13-2013, 07:12 AM   #4785
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Thanks for the report. I have not yet travel this kind of distances but I am little bit courrious. How is the saftey in this countries that you have been traveling in`? Was the border safe places to pass?
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