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Old 07-23-2009, 04:17 PM   #1
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Need the good, bad and ugly... (Valeo starter)

Re: Valeo starters. Thanks.

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Old 07-23-2009, 04:55 PM   #2
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Here's Anton's writeup.

http://www.largiader.com/tech/valeo/


There are Valeo's and a less expensive substitute on fleabay.
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Old 07-23-2009, 09:04 PM   #3
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A how-to I wrote up back in the days when nobody was rebuilding them...early 90s. It deals with the dropped magnet issue.

BMW Valeo Starter Rebuild
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Old 07-23-2009, 10:13 PM   #4
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Taken apart tonight. Not impressed, France. WTF? Glued in magnets placed gingerly over the easy bake oven (CAT). Luckily, the GS was an easy push start and a disaster avoided. 289 mile trip home (abandoned the WSBMWOA rally), one stop for fuel with the motor purring and made it home on reserve. The engine was flawless. Too bad the lowest bidder made the starter. Time to research. Bosch? Nippondenso?

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Fuck, Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.motoelekt.com/oilstarter.htm




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Old 07-23-2009, 10:19 PM   #6
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Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Insanity has been defined as repeating the same action and expecting a different result, so why replace bad parts with more bad parts?

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Old 07-25-2009, 10:50 PM   #7
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The Bad and Ugly...



Magnets left to rotate around with the armature (after the glue failure). The solenoid worked but the motor didn't turn and it caused a huge current drain. On a hot day, total fail, a push start was in order and was the only option. A 20' push was all that was needed. Funny thing, the battery Displayed no drain and ABS worked perfectly (unless the start button was depressed). YMMV. I'm getting the ND from Rick. WFC


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Old 07-26-2009, 04:10 AM   #8
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Did they just recently add those jap starters to their inventory? The starter on my 99 GS crapped out last winter & I replaced it with another valeo. I don't recall seeing the one pictured above on the web site.
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:10 AM   #9
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Did they just recently add those jap starters to their inventory? The starter on my 99 GS crapped out last winter & I replaced it with another valeo. I don't recall seeing the one pictured above on the web site.
Website update from 3/15/09 indicates:

New Replacement Starters for Oilhead Boxers: Fits All R1100, 1150, & 850

So, I guess they are recent. I didn't even ask. Rick seems like a good guy. WFC

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Taken apart tonight. Not impressed, France. WTF? Glued in magnets placed gingerly over the easy bake oven (CAT).
As one of my flying students who is a first officer with Air Canada once told me, the most common phrase in the cockpit of an Airbus was "what now". They're made in France..aren't they?

BTW, the Valeo starter housing that I used off a Saturn car starter seems to be doing much better. Its also the only part that is common between the starters.

Edited: he is now flying B767s for Air Canada and much happier.
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...the most common phrase in the cockpit of an Airbus was "what now". They're made in France..aren't they?
That's reassuring. Yes, valeo is France. Thanks for the input. WFC

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Did they just recently add those jap starters to their inventory? The starter on my 99 GS crapped out last winter & I replaced it with another valeo.
Installed and working perfectly. Big thumbs up to Rick Jones of motorrad Elektrik, couple the new starter with an odyssey battery and I'm set. WFC

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Old 04-18-2010, 06:59 PM   #13
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magnet trouble

My '96 1100 GS had a couple grinding starts and one day just a loud click.

I yanked the starter and am left with 2 problems hopefull someone can help on.

1.) One of the magnets had broken free and was apparently the sorce of the grinding sound. The face of the magnet is chipped/broken. The shape is still good. Is this reusable?

2.) The snapring that holds the front end bushing is bagged out and being a huge PITA to get the bushing seated back over it. Any advice?

Thanks
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One of the magnets had broken free and was apparently the sorce of the grinding sound. The face of the magnet is chipped/broken. The shape is still good. Is this reusable?
Although I glued my magnet back in, it is hardly worth the trouble now that you can get a housing with magnets for $45.

Scroll down to the motor housings on the Euro Motoelectrics - Starter Page


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The snapring that holds the front end bushing is bagged out and being a huge PITA to get the bushing seated back over it. Any advice?
Not sure what you mean, but then I am brain dead from working on the car most of the day.
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Old 04-19-2010, 05:48 PM   #15
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thanks for the tip on the new housing.

The snapring I was talking about is the "retaining clip" (Haynes manual) that wraps around the "armature". There is a bushing that stops the planetary from sliding off. the inside of the bushing has a beveled edge and a groove around the inside circumference. The bushing is supposed to slide over the snapring which will then seat into the groove holding everything in place, but I have done everything short of getting out the BFH with no luck. I can post a pic if that would help.

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Although I glued my magnet back in, it is hardly worth the trouble now that you can get a housing with magnets for $45.

Scroll down to the motor housings on the Euro Motoelectrics - Starter Page




Not sure what you mean, but then I am brain dead from working on the car most of the day.
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