2013 KTM Duke 390 - Page 5

LoneWolfRides · 11-29-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lstehbens

Funny when you quote those prices Sharan just how exorbitantly priced some things are. I think the WR250R is more expensive than that too!

If the Duke 390 comes in around that price point 7000-7500 AUS and it's nice to ride I think it would be hard for many people to resist buying one.

The Duke 390 is priced just about 7% more than the Duke 200 in the UK. I think that would be the trend world over, with the 390 getting priced a shade higher than the 200. So if its 6000 AUS in your part of the world, I think the 390 would be around 6500 AUS mark at max!

Here in India, the 200 retails at about 150,000 INR and the 390 is expected around the 180,000 territory!

Gryphon12 · 11-29-2012, 10:51 PM

While perusing some other motorcycle info, I came across the specs for the 1988-1993 Yamaha TDR-250. This was one of the first cross-over motorcycles, a TZR-250 2T street/sport bike engine in a standard street / DS frame, half fairing, and long(er) travel suspension (6.3/5.9" f/r).

I loved the TDR-250 concept, but very few ever made it to the USA. Does anyone in Canada or OZ have experience with them?

The specs are almost identical to those of the Duke 390 4T being offered today. Perhaps a reflection on the TDR will shed some light on the new small Duke?

gallinastrips · 11-29-2012, 10:58 PM

back road burner

lstehbens · 11-29-2012, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolfRides

The Duke 390 is priced just about 7% more than the Duke 200 in the UK. I think that would be the trend world over, with the 390 getting priced a shade higher than the 200. So if its 6000 AUS in your part of the world, I think the 390 would be around 6500 AUS mark at max!

Wishful thinking I think (the 6500 figure) . When you come to realise how over-inflated most our prices are for cars and bikes are in AUS then 7000-7500 actually is pretty good.

Tachedoutoffroad · 11-30-2012, 08:09 PM

I really want to come here. For real.

Gryphon12 · 11-30-2012, 08:20 PM

I haven't been to OZ since the World Exposition in 1988. Another visit would be very welcome!

Gordon Bennett · 12-01-2012, 12:25 AM

I sat on the 390 at the NEC bike show on Thursday - it's very small. I'm 5'10" and felt that I'd be too cramped for anything other than short trips. The 690 is significantly more roomy and is a better fit for me. I used to own a Superduke R so a 690 might be on the cards in the future as a second runabout.

lstehbens · 12-01-2012, 07:20 AM

Ooh I'm about 6ft3 so that leaves me a little worried. I'll have to check it out when it gets here... Might be roomier than a vtr250? Did your legs feel cramped? Maybe Hondas new 500s will be around in Aus around the same time to do a comparison.

richardsracingmad · 12-01-2012, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gryphon12

While perusing some other motorcycle info, I came across the specs for the 1988-1993 Yamaha TDR-250. This was one of the first cross-over motorcycles, a TZR-250 2T street/sport bike engine in a standard street / DS frame, half fairing, and long(er) travel suspension (6.3/5.9" f/r).

I loved the TDR-250 concept, but very few ever made it to the USA. Does anyone in Canada or OZ have experience with them?

The specs are almost identical to those of the Duke 390 4T being offered today. Perhaps a reflection on the TDR will shed some light on the new small Duke?

I have one!! Just bought it yesterday, it has been in storage for 17 years, but is in lovely original condition and low mileage....quick! ...grab your sunglasses before you see the picture

richardsracingmad · 12-01-2012, 09:32 PM

Funnily enough.....my bike has less cc (250), more power (50hp), and weighs the same as the new Duke 390

oh...and it is 22 years old....and built in Japan, not India

Here's one in the more boring colour scheme

Gryphon12 · 12-01-2012, 10:24 PM

As I said above, love these TDR's. Their peak HP is about the same: TDR=46 HP (North America & OZ trim if my specs are right, maybe tuned to 50 HP in Japan?) Duke 390=44 HP. However, I believe the TDR makes its peak power up higher. I'm no two-stroke expert, so maybe you can tell us how the pipe is tuned?

Otherwise, very close to the same wet weight and suspension travel, although the TDR has a more relaxed steering geometry (27-degrees vs. 25 for the Duke) so it may be a little better on rougher roads. TDR has a wheel base almost one inch longer at 54.5" - the Duke is VERY short at 53.8". Fuel economy is probably a bit better on the 4-stroke Duke 390.

There were a whole bunch of bikes made between 1988 and 1993 that were way ahead of their time:
NT650 Hawk GT, CB-1 (CB400F or NC-27), GB-500 Clubman, VTR-250, TDR-250 (and parent TZR-250), RVF-400 (NC-35), FZR-400 Bandit, to name a very few in the small-to-mid-sized range. Perhaps we are entering another creative phase in smaller motorcycles. Maybe one of the very few benefits of a poor world economy?

Navin · 12-01-2012, 10:35 PM

Or just the spread of uber cheapo bikes? Hopefully it leads to great small displacement bikes that fully exploit their superior qualities. So far it is advanced mopedery chassies and bargain bin components that those low gyroscopic force engines can't destroy.

richardsracingmad · 12-01-2012, 11:21 PM

It has been standing for 17 years, so it needs a strip down, I haven't ridden one before, but they are still rated as the best "hooligan bike".....power band starts at 6000rpm to 10000........

cls · 12-02-2012, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Navin

Or just the spread of uber cheapo bikes? Hopefully it leads to great small displacement bikes that fully exploit their superior qualities. So far it is advanced mopedery chassies and bargain bin components that those low gyroscopic force engines can't destroy.

I've been waiting for that for years. Had several Ninja 250's just for fun, along w/the big stuff. Fun but just not enough...of anything: power, quality, fit and finish, brakes, etc. I'm hoping the Katooms will open the door. I'm actually leaning to the 690 SMC-R, though. If I could lay hands on one, that is.

Gryphon12 · 12-02-2012, 04:54 AM

Ok, I get the KTM quality- that's why I'm looking at the 390 Duke.

But 690 SMC-R? or even 690 Duke if they brought it to the USA? Now you're talking $11,000 or the price of a Street Triple-R. I get that, too - power and quality, but it's NOT the same discussion.

The new Honda 500's and the revised 2012 EX-650R fall in the middle for price, and to the bottom for mid-to-low spec components - just like Navin's description of the new EX-300R.

It still leaves the Duke 390 potentially alone in the middle for power and hopefully, for quality of components, at a middle-ground price.

11-29-2012, 10:51 PM	#62
Gryphon12 Studly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2006 Location: Carnation, WA USA Oddometer: 760	Interesting...1988 TDR-250 vs. 2012 Duke 390 While perusing some other motorcycle info, I came across the specs for the 1988-1993 Yamaha TDR-250. This was one of the first cross-over motorcycles, a TZR-250 2T street/sport bike engine in a standard street / DS frame, half fairing, and long(er) travel suspension (6.3/5.9" f/r). I loved the TDR-250 concept, but very few ever made it to the USA. Does anyone in Canada or OZ have experience with them? The specs are almost identical to those of the Duke 390 4T being offered today. Perhaps a reflection on the TDR will shed some light on the new small Duke? __________________ 1990 Honda NT-650 Hawk-GT Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead Gryphon12 screwed with this post 11-29-2012 at 11:03 PM

11-29-2012, 10:58 PM	#63
gallinastrips Studly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2008 Location: Taos NM Oddometer: 575	back road burner __________________ RIDE ON

11-30-2012, 08:09 PM	#65
Tachedoutoffroad Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2011 Location: Alabama Oddometer: 481	I really want to come here. For real. __________________ '09 Husky 510 TE/SM '07 Husky 610SM SOLD '96 Honda XR250/300R (plated) '96 Honda XR600R (plated) FOR SALE

11-30-2012, 08:20 PM	#66
Gryphon12 Studly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2006 Location: Carnation, WA USA Oddometer: 760	I haven't been to OZ since the World Exposition in 1988. Another visit would be very welcome! __________________ 1990 Honda NT-650 Hawk-GT Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

12-01-2012, 12:25 AM	#67
Gordon Bennett At least I tried Joined: Mar 2004 Location: Rutland, UK Oddometer: 292	I sat on the 390 at the NEC bike show on Thursday - it's very small. I'm 5'10" and felt that I'd be too cramped for anything other than short trips. The 690 is significantly more roomy and is a better fit for me. I used to own a Superduke R so a 690 might be on the cards in the future as a second runabout. __________________ - If loud pipes save lives you'd think they would make more use of them in hospitals -

12-01-2012, 07:20 AM	#68
lstehbens Adventurer Joined: May 2011 Location: North Queensland, Australia Oddometer: 60	Ooh I'm about 6ft3 so that leaves me a little worried. I'll have to check it out when it gets here... Might be roomier than a vtr250? Did your legs feel cramped? Maybe Hondas new 500s will be around in Aus around the same time to do a comparison.

12-01-2012, 09:32 PM	#70
richardsracingmad Adventurer Joined: Jan 2011 Oddometer: 13	Funnily enough.....my bike has less cc (250), more power (50hp), and weighs the same as the new Duke 390 oh...and it is 22 years old....and built in Japan, not India Here's one in the more boring colour scheme richardsracingmad screwed with this post 12-01-2012 at 11:23 PM

12-01-2012, 10:24 PM	#71
Gryphon12 Studly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2006 Location: Carnation, WA USA Oddometer: 760	As I said above, love these TDR's. Their peak HP is about the same: TDR=46 HP (North America & OZ trim if my specs are right, maybe tuned to 50 HP in Japan?) Duke 390=44 HP. However, I believe the TDR makes its peak power up higher. I'm no two-stroke expert, so maybe you can tell us how the pipe is tuned? Otherwise, very close to the same wet weight and suspension travel, although the TDR has a more relaxed steering geometry (27-degrees vs. 25 for the Duke) so it may be a little better on rougher roads. TDR has a wheel base almost one inch longer at 54.5" - the Duke is VERY short at 53.8". Fuel economy is probably a bit better on the 4-stroke Duke 390. There were a whole bunch of bikes made between 1988 and 1993 that were way ahead of their time: NT650 Hawk GT, CB-1 (CB400F or NC-27), GB-500 Clubman, VTR-250, TDR-250 (and parent TZR-250), RVF-400 (NC-35), FZR-400 Bandit, to name a very few in the small-to-mid-sized range. Perhaps we are entering another creative phase in smaller motorcycles. Maybe one of the very few benefits of a poor world economy? __________________ 1990 Honda NT-650 Hawk-GT Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead Gryphon12 screwed with this post 12-01-2012 at 11:09 PM

12-01-2012, 10:35 PM	#72
Navin Unwounding Joined: Sep 2009 Location: Garage Oddometer: 4,421	Or just the spread of uber cheapo bikes? Hopefully it leads to great small displacement bikes that fully exploit their superior qualities. So far it is advanced mopedery chassies and bargain bin components that those low gyroscopic force engines can't destroy.

12-01-2012, 11:21 PM	#73
richardsracingmad Adventurer Joined: Jan 2011 Oddometer: 13	It has been standing for 17 years, so it needs a strip down, I haven't ridden one before, but they are still rated as the best "hooligan bike".....power band starts at 6000rpm to 10000........

12-02-2012, 04:54 AM	#75
Gryphon12 Studly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2006 Location: Carnation, WA USA Oddometer: 760	Ok, I get the KTM quality- that's why I'm looking at the 390 Duke. But 690 SMC-R? or even 690 Duke if they brought it to the USA? Now you're talking $11,000 or the price of a Street Triple-R. I get that, too - power and quality, but it's NOT the same discussion. The new Honda 500's and the revised 2012 EX-650R fall in the middle for price, and to the bottom for mid-to-low spec components - just like Navin's description of the new EX-300R. It still leaves the Duke 390 potentially alone in the middle for power and hopefully, for quality of components, at a middle-ground price. __________________ 1990 Honda NT-650 Hawk-GT Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

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