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Old 07-10-2013, 08:56 PM   #316
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Here is a recent post on the k trail going east to west

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Old 07-10-2013, 09:09 PM   #317
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Next time you see Dadayama you all need to give him a pat on the back. He put in some serious time on the map and got a much better revised version. This starts and ends in towns near fuel and hotels. Much easier to follow. I've update the first post.
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:26 PM   #318
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Here is a recent post on the k trail going east to west

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Agreed on safety issue while riding the k trail. Two forms of communication and a spot tracker is a must for one of them. I could get cell coverage for much of the trip. Does any one know if there are ham repeaters in the area?
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Old 07-11-2013, 06:21 AM   #319
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Great info. This looks like the one trail that has peaked my interest. Is the western half harder than the eastern part?
Yes, the western end is much more technical. Large rocks, ravines, off camber much of the time. Some call it hell and turn around, we call it fun.
We use Hurd Creek Trail off of S.H. 271.

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The one and only time I rode the k trail was during the fall dual sport ride and we picked up the trail right outside camp and some how we got off the trail without knowing we had and were riding down a dirt road that I thought was k trail until the group was halted by a not too happy old codger in a side by side carrying a rifle and had a mean dog as a passenger. He not so politely told us we were on his land and road. He escorted us back to a trail leading somewhere else. All I'm saying is that it is easy to get off the trail and into trouble!
I would not attempt to ride parts of the trail on my F800, but it was lots of fun on my 250. Nor would I ride the trail alone on any size bike, because you can find yourself on the ground with your head pointing down hill and the bike pinning you down! DAMHIK
I was leading that ride. We entered through the neighborhood across from the park, going past the cell tower. That whole area is where I like to ride. If anyone goes that way be a good neighbor, please keep the speed/sound low, watch for children and dogs. We did connect to the K trail from that entry.
XR Tommy took 3 of us into that area 3 or 4 years ago, he's over 60 and he can ride. All the hard core riding a person could want and never get more than 7 miles from the park.

Video from the 2006 ride. I do a face plant at the end.


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Old 07-11-2013, 05:59 PM   #320
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Yes, the western end is much more technical. Large rocks, ravines, off camber much of the time. Some call it hell and turn around, we call it fun.
We use Hurd Creek Trail off of S.H. 271.



I was leading that ride. We entered through the neighborhood across from the park, going past the cell tower. That whole area is where I like to ride. If anyone goes that way be a good neighbor, please keep the speed/sound low, watch for children and dogs. We did connect to the K trail from that entry.
XR Tommy took 3 of us into that area 3 or 4 years ago, he's over 60 and he can ride. All the hard core riding a person could want and never get more than 7 miles from the park.

Video from the 2006 ride. I do a face plant at the end.


Good stuff there.
We tried to access the K Trail this way on our OAT trip. We made it up past the cell tower, then the route got confusing and more technical, plus we were on 650s in a strange area at mid-afternoon in December. We u-turned and hit the blacktop.

I want to go try it again.
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Old 07-11-2013, 06:10 PM   #321
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I was leading that ride.

Didn't recognize your screen name. I was the old fart on the Yamaha WR250R that rode around with you young...er guys that weekend. You should post the vid where you were taken out by the guy on the Honda (sorry can't remember his name - see above about being an old fart) and was captured on video doing a superman imatation only flying thru the air with his face looking up towards the sky. That is if you ever got a copy of the vid.
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Old 07-16-2013, 05:00 PM   #322
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Did some OAT scouting yesterday. I rode the Sayre to Mangum and Mangum to Mt Scott tracks. Rain shut out my plans of heading east from there this morning, so I headed home.
I've got a few pics and will post a short report tomorrow.
Good stuff.
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:39 AM   #323
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Southwest OAT scout

I'd told Dadayama that I'd scout out the revised OAT through SW Oklahoma (I-40 to I-35), and finally got around to it. So, Monday morning I headed up to Sayre with the plan being to ride the route from Sayre to Mt Scott, then Mt Scott to Davis or so, weather permitting.

Here's some pics of the area south of the Sayre airport. I'd just crossed a pretty cool little mountain range with some twists and elevation change (for around here at least), but didn't stop for pics.






Next is the area around Sandy Sanders Wildlife Management Area. The route skirts the east side, crosses through the south end of the WMA and then crosses through a ranch, ending at Highway 30. I've done a couple of trail runs here and, though the land's not good for anything, it's real pretty, rugged country. There are also some designated primitive camping spots throughout the WMA.







The first crossing of the Salt Fork of the Red was coming up. I'd expected sandy roads leading to it, but the area to the north is fairly high country and abruptly drops down to the river.


The crossing is pretty broad, with plenty of sand. The rain helped a little, but the sand was still loose and deep. As you can see, I almost made it across without incident.






This was actually the only time I had to put a foot down, and the only time I dropped the bike.

A few miles later was the second crossing of the Salt Fork, this time back to the north. I was ready for another tough crossing, but this was much easier, with only a couple of real sandy spots. There was also quite a bit of rock laid down here over the years, which was nice. Piece of cake.






Due to poor planning, I was in dire need of gas, and, amazingly enough, the track I was on ended in Mangum at Mangum Oil & Gas. Thanks guys.


The famous North Fork of the Red crossing, which is on land in the Altus-Lugert WMA, was next. I'd passed on it when I was here in December due to it being very sandy; Mars passed some time later because it was running quite a bit of water. So, although I was a little apprehensive, I was pretty stoked to try and cross it. When I got there and checked it out I was pretty excited; it was dry, but the water that had run through it had packed the sand down pretty good and it looked firm and very doable.
Needless to say, this bummed me out.....


However, since the road was closed I'd have to turn around and go back the way I came. The best turnaround spot seemed to be on the other side of the river, so I went ahead and crossed it, turned around and crossed it again so I'd be headed the right direction.




Feeling pretty good now, I pushed on to the east. Here's a couple from the area between east of Cooperton.




I'd been riding in light rain off and on all day and at Cooperton it looked like I was about to head into some heavy stuff. It was 5:00 PM or so and I'd done this part of the route before, so I detoured south on the blacktop and then took Highway 49 through the refuge. As soon as I got on 49 it started raining pretty good and I was glad I wasn't on (already wet and getting wetter) dirt. I had camping gear and was planning on staying at Camp Doris, but it looked like it might rain all night and the thought of warm food and a real bed made me go on to Medicine Park, where I got a room at the Plantation Inn Lodge and ate at the Old Plantation.






It did rain all night and I was glad I'd made the decision I did. I checked the forecast and Mesonet the next morning and quickly figured out that my plan to go east to I-35 was washed out. They'd already had heavier rain and were getting more, so I headed home.

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This was a great ride. I really loved the track from Sayre to the first Salt Fork crossing and I'd hate to change anything about it, but I need to point out a couple of things:

-All Oklahoma WMAs (including Sandy Sanders and I'd assume the Altus-Lugert WMA) require this:


I think it'd be just bad luck to run into anyone actually checking people, but it is something to note.

-The day I got home I was looking at the Lawton paper and an article caught my eye. Apparently Greer County is about to put in a bridge at the second Salt Fork crossing south of Reed. It's going to cost $4.5 million, mostly state money, and some state legislators are calling it a waste of money but they're going to start taking bids on it July 25. It doesn't look like this will be a river crossing for long.
For a reroute here, particularly while they're building the bridge, instead of heading north to the second crossing, you could continue east on E1520 to Highway 34, then north into Mangum to intersect the OAT again.

-As for the road closed sign at the North Fork.......I don't know if this is a temporary closure or not. Since it's been very dry, it may be closed due to fire danger. After I turned around I took a neat little double-track road south through the WMA and ended up on Highway 9, where I crossed the bridge and got on the OAT again. I'd suggest leaving it as is for now in hopes of the road opening again, and it's easily rerouted if need be.

Once again, good job OKlr & Dadayama!
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:50 AM   #324
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great pictures, makes me want to ride this again. I love sand, especially when it has a little moisture in it. Did you find any of the roads slippery?
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:16 AM   #325
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great pictures, makes me want to ride this again. I love sand, especially when it has a little moisture in it. Did you find any of the roads slippery?
I live and ride in pretty sandy country and like you, know it's a heck of a lot better when wet. I was lucky with the weather but did a little planning around it and it worked.

It was varying degrees of wet depending on where I was. For the most part the moisture was a benefit, but there were a few pretty slippery roads and I found some mud in places. Most roads were hit or miss; dry enough but with some wet spots that had me keeping my eyes peeled and cut my speed down.

Thankfully the rain had just fallen and I didn't hit too many badly rutted roads.

But the sand was real nice.....sometimes luck and planning come together.
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:44 AM   #326
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-All Oklahoma WMAs (including Sandy Sanders and I'd assume the Altus-Lugert WMA) require this:


I think it'd be just bad luck to run into anyone actually checking people, but it is something to note.

-The day I got home I was looking at the Lawton paper and an article caught my eye. Apparently Greer County is about to put in a bridge at the second Salt Fork crossing south of Reed. It's going to cost $4.5 million, mostly state money, and some state legislators are calling it a waste of money but they're going to start taking bids on it July 25. It doesn't look like this will be a river crossing for long.
For a reroute here, particularly while they're building the bridge, instead of heading north to the second crossing, you could continue east on E1520 to Highway 34, then north into Mangum to intersect the OAT again.

-As for the road closed sign at the North Fork.......I don't know if this is a temporary closure or not. Since it's been very dry, it may be closed due to fire danger. After I turned around I took a neat little double-track road south through the WMA and ended up on Highway 9, where I crossed the bridge and got on the OAT again. I'd suggest leaving it as is for now in hopes of the road opening again, and it's easily rerouted if need be.

Once again, good job OKlr & Dadayama!
I think I would be inclined to press on and consider myself authorized since I am an official Oklahoma taxpayer and resident. On the other hand I need to get a current fishing license.
I am just not to cool with the access atmosphere in Oklahoma, I hear the farmers are trying to claim rights too and call the sheriffs office if you try to ride the South Canadian river north of Union City. I would like to challenge their claim and also determine if they are indeed accepting US farm subsidies and what access that would give residents? The whole northwest part of the US is completely different, I just haven't warmed up to the exclusionary attitude of this state yet. Perhaps I will find it to my liking some day but now I find it very hypocritical and childish.
And another thing, what is the writing on the bottom of the shield, is that an official state agency.

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As I understand it, and I'm not arguing one side or the other, prior to this "Conservation Passport", anyone had the right to visit and use the WMAs for various reasons, like hiking, birdwatching, etc. The problem was that most of the money for funding these areas comes from the sale of hunting & fishing licenses. So the general public was using something that was paid for by a small group of people.

Right or wrong, the wildlife department did a terrible job filling the public in on this and it's turned into a PR problem. There are also several legislators looking into it who aren't real happy.

I've got a lifetime hunting/fishing license, so I'd be all right (except I didn't have it with me). I get the impression that most department employees aren't thrilled with the idea of stopping and checking people.
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:03 AM   #328
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I hold an OKLA. lifetime hunting and fishing license. I'll meet you there and we can "scout potential hunting areas".
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:11 AM   #329
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speaking of, I was going to, if weather is good, ride south on I-35 Saturday and pick up the OAT and ride it to Lawton then eat the best hamburger in the US at Meers for lunch. Any one is welcome to join.
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I have street tires on my KLR, they don't like mud. I have an extra set of wheels with TKC80's, I'll see what kind of shape they are in.
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