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Old 12-23-2014, 08:17 AM   #1
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Struggling with Front Spokes GSA water cooled 2014

Right so I have had my 1200 water cooled gsa for 3 months now, while washing the bike I noticed there are about 4spokes that are loose on the front rim.

I put in the torx bit and tried to tighten it but the entire spoke just keeps on turning.

However how do you hold the spoke tight enough to tighten the grub with the torx bit?

Vice grip ? I don't want to damage the spoke.
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Old 12-23-2014, 08:26 AM   #2
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Just in case you did not know - there is a micro little grub screw inside of the torx... like a set screw to lock in the nipple - very tiny and I am sure it is an allen key screw - like 3mm. You will have to loosen that first before you use the torx.

Also - be very careful with the spokes - just snug them up gently as any tightening will through out the wheel.

There have been many many posts, including mine, over the years talking about the absolute impossibility of truing the Bahr rims... it cannot be done by adjusting the nipples... well a few have done it over the course of much pain and two weeks of suffering. I have trued many wheels but these are crazy. Woody's Wheels does this and they first disassemble the entire wheel and true the rim on a big press then assemble the wheel in a large custom jig they have built. It is one of the reasons that BMW will replace and not repair a rim.
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Old 12-23-2014, 08:40 AM   #3
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You loosen the Allen grub screw, 2mm, and use the T-40 torx to get the spokes to the correct tension. Be very careful not to over tighten the spoke. Once out of true, it is a bear of a job to retrue it.

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Old 12-23-2014, 09:09 AM   #4
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This is good stuff. I've not had to fuss with the spokes on my GS'es but had no idea they were bears to true. I've done a lot of spoke lacing and truing on conventional motorcycle spoked wheels, but now will be extra careful if I start playing around with the spokes one day.
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Old 12-23-2014, 09:19 AM   #5
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Awesome, thanks for the assistance.

Well the spokes currently are very loose and I am worried something might happen while I am riding.

So even if I just get them tight enough just to stop turning. That should not pose a problem?
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Old 12-23-2014, 09:23 AM   #6
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Personally, on a brand new bike I'd consider that a warranty issue and let them tension them properly at the dealership. Did you punch a huge rock off-road or are the loose spokes a mystery?
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Old 12-23-2014, 09:27 AM   #7
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Well just did quite a bit off road riding ,





These rims don't seem to have a grub screw

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Old 12-23-2014, 09:28 AM   #8
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Awesome, thanks for the assistance.

Well the spokes currently are very loose and I am worried something might happen while I am riding.

So even if I just get them tight enough just to stop turning. That should not pose a problem?
Yes, just get them snug enough for them to lightly ring when you tap a metal screwdriver o them.

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Personally, on a brand new bike I'd consider that a warranty issue and let them tension them properly at the dealership. Did you punch a huge rock off-road or are the loose spokes a mystery?
However, I agree. Under warranty, let the dealer fix or replace it.
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Old 12-23-2014, 09:35 AM   #9
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Sorry I see now inside the torx bolt.

Got it
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Old 12-23-2014, 09:36 AM   #10
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Problem is that I have messed up a front rim already on the bike, so now it is out of warranty as I just replaced the rim and not the entire wheel.

I have claimed too many times on my insurance
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Problem is that I have messed up a front rim already on the bike, so now it is out of warranty as I just replaced the rim and not the entire wheel.

I have claimed too many times on my insurance
Yikes. Is it still true? If so, gently start snugging spokes in a cross pattern until you get them all snug and ringing similarly. If this doesn't work, you need to find someone competent with cross spoke wheels. In the US Woody, but in SA I am not sure. Maybe Stephan from the GS911 HEX company could refer you to someone.
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Old 12-23-2014, 10:07 AM   #12
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Hey Jim,

New rim was trued with the hub and spokes,

Then when I got back from a decent amount of dirt riding the three spokes were loose.

I just loosened the grub and just snugly tightened the torx nut. Ran a screw driver over them and they sang a song.

So I probably would have to get them trued now.

Thanks for your help
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Old 12-23-2014, 10:41 AM   #13
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Hey Jim,

New rim was trued with the hub and spokes,

Then when I got back from a decent amount of dirt riding the three spokes were loose.

I just loosened the grub and just snugly tightened the torx nut. Ran a screw driver over them and they sang a song.

So I probably would have to get them trued now.

Thanks for your help
Spin the wheel and see. You can have a small amount of run-out.

Likely the spokes were not properly seated when the rim was replaced.
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:54 PM   #14
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Then when I got back from a decent amount of dirt riding the three spokes were loose.
You sure it not because of the liberal use of back wheel only?
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You sure it not because of the liberal use of back wheel only?
In other words, the loose spokes are no mystery!
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