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Old 01-12-2013, 06:06 PM   #361
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Could you explain that again for dumb bastards ... ?


the engine/tranny swap with Marek Dabrowski went ahead then Floods rules post below comes into play... I think in the interest of a good race they should allow it... But they need to make these sort of allowances for non elite riders as well



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Page 71, english regulations:


7P1 GENERAL



1) In all categories: the frame, the engine, and spare engines.
The machine and the rider are associated by a race number and will be identified by marks at scrutineering. These 3 elements are indissociable during the length of the race.
Are considered as part of the frame: all parts welded surrounding the engine and supporting the steering column and the mounting points for the rear suspension. The frame and the engine cases, already marked at scrutineering at the start, or all other parts, may at any moment have additional marks added.

2) All fraud noted, and notably the fact of presenting as intact, identification marks that have been retouched, will result in the Disqualification of the rider or team which aided or facilitated the infraction, and that without affecting further sanctions which may be demanded to the national federation of the rider or accomplice.

3) All changes of engine must be indicated to the Clerk of the Course or at the Technical Steward, at 09.00 pm the latest, on pain of a 15’ penalty.



So, this looks like whatever happens, you may only may swap your engine with one of your own spare engines that were marked as yours during scrutineering. You're not allowed to use a competitor's engine.

Seems like the Spanish picked up on this and aren't very happy.

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Old 01-12-2013, 06:29 PM   #362
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no spare motors were marked at Scrutineering at the start, not this year nor 2012 Dakar
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:39 PM   #363
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no spare motors were marked at Scrutineering at the start, not this year nor 2012 Dakar
ok thanks, puts a different spin on it.
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:43 PM   #364
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In Feral5's post, These 3 elements are indissociable during the length of the race.

What is the definition of 'race'?That day's stage.
That day's competitive?
The complete event?

In the TV commentary, it is continually infered that each competitive is a race in itself.

If the definition is limited to the competitive sections, then there is a number of races. Engine swap legalities would vary accordingly.





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Old 01-12-2013, 06:59 PM   #365
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As far as Grabb'o slipping from 3rd, the main group were following the leader 50k's from the finish and got led up the wrong path, they all lost about 1/2 an hour.[/QUOTE]

That doesn't make sense to me Grabbo is a leader not a follower. He would be kicking himself for been lead up the garden path
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:11 PM   #366
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As far as Grabb'o slipping from 3rd, the main group were following the leader 50k's from the finish and got led up the wrong path, they all lost about 1/2 an hour.
That doesn't make sense to me Grabbo is a leader not a follower. He would be kicking himself for been lead up the garden path[/QUOTE]

it was pissing with rain and hard to see, plus the next 10km of the course sort of matched the roadbook, until it was clear it was the wrong creek bed
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:20 PM   #367
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As far as Grabb'o slipping from 3rd, the main group were following the leader 50k's from the finish and got led up the wrong path, they all lost about 1/2 an hour.
That doesn't make sense to me Grabbo is a leader not a follower. He would be kicking himself for been lead up the garden path[/QUOTE]

There's a lot of Cyril goes that way we better follow going on this year. The younger faster riders seem to be using him as a tour guide when they hit the more navaguessie sections maybe he led them up the path to teach them a lesson.
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:24 PM   #368
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Depres swaped an engine during the stage with another competitor, the rules seem to say you can only change your engine with the ones that were presented at scruitineering and marked . But the French have a different interpretation of the rules for the French.

As far as Grabb'o slipping from 3rd, the main group were following the leader 50k's from the finish and got led up the wrong path, they all lost about 1/2 an hour.
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That doesn't make sense to me Grabbo is a leader not a follower. He would be kicking himself for been lead up the garden path
it was pissing with rain and hard to see, plus the next 10km of the course sort of matched the roadbook, until it was clear it was the wrong creek bed[/QUOTE]

Good to see it hasn't hurt his overall time, sound like they have had every condition thrown at them, and all the Aussie's are doing a great job.
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Old 01-12-2013, 10:26 PM   #369
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nice little shout out to Grabbo in tonights SBS show.
hopefully someone is recording these for the guys...
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:32 AM   #370
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Grabbo must be gutted.

That was a odd roll over that garland had.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:19 AM   #371
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Grabbo must be gutted.

That was a odd roll over that garland had.

A bit like Robby`s flip over, and Hans Stacy`s Iveco lay-on-side; could they have been going any slower?
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:44 AM   #372
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Spewing for Olholm. Original decision to neutralise at WP9 gave him 7th, 12th overall. New decision to award everyone Peterhansel's arrival time gives him the same as stage 7. 18th, 15th overall.
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There's a lot of Cyril goes that way we better follow going on this year. The younger faster riders seem to be using him as a tour guide when they hit the more navaguessie sections maybe he led them up the path to teach them a lesson.
If Cyril really wanted to do their heads in, he should lead them up the garden path, have a 'mechanical issue', then after they all continue the wrong way, turn around and get back on the proper track.

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Old 01-13-2013, 03:38 PM   #374
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If Cyril really wanted to do their heads in, he should lead them up the garden path, have a 'mechanical issue', then after they all continue the wrong way, turn around and get back on the proper track.

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You mean do a Peterhansel!
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Cyril went the worng way as well, just that by the time he came along the others had headed back again to the original track so he was lost for a shorter time than them.........remember he started quite a bit later due to his slow Day 7 time re the 5th gear issue

Damien Grabham told me how he and Cyril went around in circles for 30min together on Safari 2011..............so while he is good, even the best get it wrong at times
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