BMW R1150RT Brake Rant

fish · 08-21-2002, 08:52 PM

[rant]I'm pissed at BMW. I've got some issues with my RT that bmwscruz is doing an adequate job of addressing. But I'm pissed at BMW because of their stance on the RT brake issue. They redesigned the rear ABS modulator and cut it into new production some time back. But this doesn't piss me off. What pisses me off is that a particular individual over at mrn posted the TSB about the RT brakes, and BMWNA is coming down hard on him. I can't fucking believe it. They issued a recall for the 1150GS brakeline potentially rubbing on the speedo cable, but not a single word publicly about how the integral ABS senses rear wheel lock-up and releases the front wheel, causing some massive ass-puckering. I've experienced this time and time again, and have grown used to taking it easy in the downhill bumpy stuff, but I don't want to anymore. These are the best brakes in the world and should work as advertised. Too, what I've found is only the most aggressive RT riders complain about this. Average riders only see the massive stopping power in the brakes, but don't take them to the limit necessary to override the design. I wish I could be like that.

Shit...now the blue and white roundel helicopters are going to start watching me.

Can you believe my friend actually got a "cease and desist" letter
from BMWNA to take the image of the RT brake TSB off his website?
[/rant]

Moot · 08-21-2002, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fish
[rant]I'm pissed at BMW. [/rant]

Easy bud... sounds like your ready to blow! (a fuse)

Rod · 08-21-2002, 09:05 PM

I too was very shocked too here that my fellow BMW RT owners in the Good OLD US of A can not get the same level of service as myself over this brake issue.
The UPDATED brake modulator that Fish and others have read about in the that BWM realesed TSB...FIXED my brake issue.
To read that some one hass been singled out about this for making other's a where of a potential safty issue .....is nothing short of insanity
BMW get off your lazy ASS and fix IT NOW!!!!!!!!

stevenknapp · 08-21-2002, 09:58 PM

I'm a pussy rider, and my commute to and from work has a half dozen places where the brakes act as you describe. Takes nothing more than the usual "agressive" in traffic stop and a couple Chitown expansion joints.

As far as your friend getting fucked by BMW, perhaps a note to the press? MCN seems pretty up on publishing this type of stuff.

BMW sucks. But the build one nice bike...right? :):

freaking RT · 08-22-2002, 07:00 AM

maybe a class action suit on the ABS would get their attention

Chopperman · 08-22-2002, 11:03 AM

how about a little guerilla tactic? take the info, with pics, set it up with simple HTML tags and hand it out to anyone interested. Between all the free sites, my own site, various site I am affiliated with...I bet I could have a dozen copies up in an hour. multiply that by say a thousand users....

and are thsoe actual BMW amnufactired brakes? or some brembo item?

fish · 08-22-2002, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chopperman
and are thsoe actual BMW amnufactired brakes? or some brembo item?

The calipers are made by Brembo, even though they are BMW branded. Who makes the ABS modulator?

F.A.G., I think. Is that correct Woofy? :):

Chopperman · 08-22-2002, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fish

The calipers are made by Brembo, even though they are BMW branded. Who makes the ABS modulator?

F.A.G., I think. Is that correct Woofy? :):

besides I dont think they can stop you from posting pictures of your own bike that you took. and they certainly cant prevent you from posting your evaluations, opinions, etc. as long as you arent slanderous or libelous (which I would have to re-look up the definitions of. I think it is the diference between "Fish is an embezzling sodomite" and "In my opinion, Fish is an embezzling sodomite"

fish · 08-22-2002, 11:55 AM

I thought for sure there was a thread on the Integral ABS technical service bulletin, but I just cannot find it. Any ideas?

freaking RT · 08-22-2002, 11:55 AM

if anybody has a copy of the BMW Service Bulletin 34 001 02 (012) concerning the brakes, please send me a copy. I may need it for future reference.

thanks

Rod · 08-22-2002, 03:02 PM

brake links

links and this

HardCoreCommute · 08-22-2002, 05:11 PM

What about getting the NHTSA involved? Anybody know if Arch or anyone else has complained to these guys? My concern is that during a collision-avoidance panic stop, a little bump in the road will cause BOTH brakes to cycle the ABS. I've had this happen once or twice. Mostly I don't ride aggressive enough to make the ABS engage. What are the ramifcations of posting a complaint to the FEDs?

Here's the site that I found:

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/ivoq/default.htm

stevenknapp · 08-22-2002, 05:42 PM

The NHTSA is probably the best bet. If every person who had issues with this filed, it would get *someones* attention.

fish · 08-22-2002, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rod
brake links

links and this

i really wish you'd STOP that shit

i had to float through a bazillion mrn posts to find absofuckinglutely nothing. I want a copy of the TSB,
can someone just send it to me? Or even a transcribed version.

fish · 08-22-2002, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stevenknapp
The NHTSA is probably the best bet. If every person who had issues with this filed, it would get *someones* attention.

Imo play nice first and let's see what happens. I can get really really ugly if I want to

08-21-2002, 08:52 PM	#1
fish ^OP Banned Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Gold Country Oddometer: 47,709	BMW R1150RT Brake Rant [rant]I'm pissed at BMW. I've got some issues with my RT that bmwscruz is doing an adequate job of addressing. But I'm pissed at BMW because of their stance on the RT brake issue. They redesigned the rear ABS modulator and cut it into new production some time back. But this doesn't piss me off. What pisses me off is that a particular individual over at mrn posted the TSB about the RT brakes, and BMWNA is coming down hard on him. I can't fucking believe it. They issued a recall for the 1150GS brakeline potentially rubbing on the speedo cable, but not a single word publicly about how the integral ABS senses rear wheel lock-up and releases the front wheel, causing some massive ass-puckering. I've experienced this time and time again, and have grown used to taking it easy in the downhill bumpy stuff, but I don't want to anymore. These are the best brakes in the world and should work as advertised. Too, what I've found is only the most aggressive RT riders complain about this. Average riders only see the massive stopping power in the brakes, but don't take them to the limit necessary to override the design. I wish I could be like that. Shit...now the blue and white roundel helicopters are going to start watching me. Can you believe my friend actually got a "cease and desist" letter from BMWNA to take the image of the RT brake TSB off his website? [/rant] fish screwed with this post 08-24-2002 at 01:00 PM

08-21-2002, 09:05 PM	#3
Rod Wacko Ocker Joined: Nov 2001 Location: On the other side Oddometer: 5,560	I too was shocked too here I too was very shocked too here that my fellow BMW RT owners in the Good OLD US of A can not get the same level of service as myself over this brake issue. The UPDATED brake modulator that Fish and others have read about in the that BWM realesed TSB...FIXED my brake issue. To read that some one hass been singled out about this for making other's a where of a potential safty issue .....is nothing short of insanity BMW get off your lazy ASS and fix IT NOW!!!!!!!! __________________ "can't stop laughin" "I told you I was sick" spike milligan 1918-2002 07 DLK V-strom Ducati 750SS 'Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that matter... don't mind...And those that mind... don't matter.' "to succed at the island you must be comfortable in the knowleged that you may leave in a pine box" Joey Dunlop ..RIP www.Austouring.com Rod screwed with this post 08-21-2002 at 10:01 PM

08-22-2002, 07:00 AM	#5
freaking RT will golf for food Joined: Nov 2001 Location: just outside Richmond, VA Oddometer: 27,192	maybe a class action suit on the ABS would get their attention __________________ IBA#10787 “We, the people, are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts - not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the constitution.” – Abraham Lincoln "Fathom the odd hypocrisy that Obama wants every citizen to prove they are insured, but people don't have to prove they are citizens". -Anonymous WV VA Good Eats Map

08-22-2002, 11:03 AM	#6
Chopperman I am dead Joined: Sep 2001 Oddometer: 27,033	how about a little guerilla tactic? take the info, with pics, set it up with simple HTML tags and hand it out to anyone interested. Between all the free sites, my own site, various site I am affiliated with...I bet I could have a dozen copies up in an hour. multiply that by say a thousand users.... and are thsoe actual BMW amnufactired brakes? or some brembo item? __________________ dead

08-22-2002, 11:55 AM	#10
freaking RT will golf for food Joined: Nov 2001 Location: just outside Richmond, VA Oddometer: 27,192	if anybody has a copy of the BMW Service Bulletin 34 001 02 (012) concerning the brakes, please send me a copy. I may need it for future reference. thanks __________________ IBA#10787 “We, the people, are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts - not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the constitution.” – Abraham Lincoln "Fathom the odd hypocrisy that Obama wants every citizen to prove they are insured, but people don't have to prove they are citizens". -Anonymous WV VA Good Eats Map

08-21-2002, 09:58 PM	#4
stevenknapp Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2001 Location: Grayslake, IL, USA Oddometer: 1,221	I'm a pussy rider, and my commute to and from work has a half dozen places where the brakes act as you describe. Takes nothing more than the usual "agressive" in traffic stop and a couple Chitown expansion joints. As far as your friend getting fucked by BMW, perhaps a note to the press? MCN seems pretty up on publishing this type of stuff. BMW sucks. But the build one nice bike...right? :):

08-22-2002, 03:02 PM	#11
Rod Wacko Ocker Joined: Nov 2001 Location: On the other side Oddometer: 5,560	try these brake links links and this __________________ "can't stop laughin" "I told you I was sick" spike milligan 1918-2002 07 DLK V-strom Ducati 750SS 'Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that matter... don't mind...And those that mind... don't matter.' "to succed at the island you must be comfortable in the knowleged that you may leave in a pine box" Joey Dunlop ..RIP www.Austouring.com

08-22-2002, 05:11 PM	#12
HardCoreCommute Adventurer Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Upland to Costa Mesa Oddometer: 36	What about getting the NHTSA involved? Anybody know if Arch or anyone else has complained to these guys? My concern is that during a collision-avoidance panic stop, a little bump in the road will cause BOTH brakes to cycle the ABS. I've had this happen once or twice. Mostly I don't ride aggressive enough to make the ABS engage. What are the ramifcations of posting a complaint to the FEDs? Here's the site that I found: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/ivoq/default.htm __________________ Jafie

08-22-2002, 05:42 PM	#13
stevenknapp Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2001 Location: Grayslake, IL, USA Oddometer: 1,221	The NHTSA is probably the best bet. If every person who had issues with this filed, it would get someones attention.

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