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Old 04-11-2013, 10:02 AM   #91
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Hi Ben
When is the updated version of the Colorado coming?
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I apologize to everyone waiting for the 2013 Colorado Pants, there have been several delay's I have had to work though............

I might start getting some of the 2013 inventory in next week, but it will probably be a few more weeks. Im sorry this has taken so long and thanks to those that are waiting.



Here is some customer photos at THE DUBINKY WELLS!!!



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Old 04-12-2013, 12:07 PM   #92
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Hey Ben

No worries, I'm still in good shape with the pants I have, just curious is all.

I googled Dubinky Wells and cant fnd relevant info. I haven't ridden Green River before,(Moab mostly and the SLC area only a little) but would like to check it out next time we're there. Got any links for us?

Those are some big wells...

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Old 04-12-2013, 12:22 PM   #93
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No worries, I'm still in good shape with the pants I have, just curious is all.

I googled Dubinky Wells and cant fnd relevant info. I haven't ridden Green River before,(Moab mostly and the SLC area only a little) but would like to check it out next time we're there. Got any links for us?

Those are some big wells...

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It really is an amazing place and one of the few in the Moab area that is not packed full of people. The riding is great and there is a little of everything for miles on end. You would have to spend a lot of time to be familiar with all the riding between Green River and the south side of the area.

Here are some links about rides in the area and also a post with several videos and a little history about why we are called Dubinky:
http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....8&postcount=57

http://www.motoutah.com/component/co...ash-sand-dunes
http://www.utahmototrails.com/2012/0...ail-white.html

Map:
http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial...ge%20Trail.pdf




Article from the Moab times about the history of the area:


The Way Sam Remembers It
11.10.05 - 12:14 am
Southeastern Utah has its share of funny names. How

they got them has always been interesting to me, and I am learning more

all the time.

Even though I have been to Dubinky Well, and the

nearby ranch many times, most travelers on the Dubinky Road don’t even

know about the old line shack, since it is hidden in a nearby wash and

is not visible from the Dubinky Road. I recently re-read Grand

Memories, and got a hint about the name. I quote from that interesting

volume now:

“One cold night two brothers, Red and Dubinky

Anderson, camped at Valley City. They had heard that the big house (the

abandoned hotel) was haunted, but thought they were brave enough not to

believe it. In the middle of the night they saw a woman move slowly

down the stairs. It frightened them so badly that they ran out of the

house fast and kept running for a long way. One brother, Red Anderson,

made his way to Thompson. A few men went back to Valley City to

investigate. They found a badly frightened woman who had hidden herself

when the brothers arrived, and had been trying to sneak out of the

house without awakening the freighters.

“The men tracked the other brother, Dubinky. He had

traveled barefoot over rough, cold country for more than ten miles. The

place where he finally stopped was once a cow camp, with cabin and

corrals built by a cattleman from Green River. Arthur Ekker bought the

cattle and took over the range. Cecil Thomson bought the cattle from

Ekker and used the cabin and corrals as a line shack. The range and

camp, on the old Dead Horse Point road, are known as Dubinky.”

Whether the place was named for Dubinky Anderson, or

whether Anderson was nicknamed Dubinky after hiding out there running

from a ghost, is not known, at least to me.

There is a dry wash just south of the Dubinky

windmill and well. Up that wash a few hundred yards is the old Dubinky

Ranch. It consists of a one-room cabin built from railroad ties, a

dugout cabin north of the wash, and a cedar (juniper) corral. The

corral was built by burying huge cedar posts right against each other,

with the whole thing laced together with cable.

Former Green River cowboy, Loren Million, said in an

oral history a few years ago that he had worked and lived at Dubinky

when the ranch was run by Art Ekker. He said that he had found a grove

of the tallest cedar trees he had ever seen, out on Horsethief Point.

He cut a bunch of them down and dragged them behind his horse to

Dubinky Ranch where he built the corral. He found the cable at the site

of an abandoned cable-tool drill site, and dragged it back to the ranch

to tie the cedar posts together.

I stayed a night or two there in the late 1940s,

while spending some time with my cousin Vaughn Taylor, who ran the

Cecil Thomson ranch from the headquarters at Horsethief Ranch I thought

it was one of the neatest places I ever camped.

Adrien and I have visited the abandoned ranch a

number of times. It is much the same as I remembered it from my

boyhood. Its isolation and invisibility from the road have kept it from

the vandals over the years, and Loren’s tall cedar corral was so

sturdily built that it would still hold a bunch of wild desert cattle

or horses.

Not only the water well and ranch named Dubinky, but

the area around the place is littered with a beautiful agate rock named

by geologists and rock hounds as “Dubinky Chert.” We have

polished some of the hard agate in a tumbler and it makes a beautiful

polished finished product.

I’ve been told that the area around Dubinky is the

only place in the country where this particular type of flint is found.

Its value to early Native Americans is proven by the finding of arrow

and spear points made of Dubinky Chert in many Anasazi sites all over

the western United States.

The next time you take a drive over the Dubinky Well

road, turn up the sandy wash bottom just south of the well and take a

look at the old line shacks and corral. Just don’t do them any harm.

They’ve withstood the test of time pretty well to date, particularly

Loren’s cedar post corral.
© moabtimes.com 2005
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:27 PM   #94
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Cool!

Thanks Ben. Planning a trip out that way next year and I'm sure we can fit the area into our plans. Love abandoned towns, houses, mills, mines etc.

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Old 04-13-2013, 02:09 PM   #95
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Hi Ben, these pants look good!

Just wondering, haven't read yet, are these water resistant? I seen they are 4 seasons.
Is there a liner that comes off for hot weather?
Also, I take it no armor included, do all armor fit?
Can I use the sample code still and is there still an ADV discount?
Should I wait for new 2013 pants? Added benefits to design?

Thanks.
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Old 04-14-2013, 12:53 PM   #96
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When are the lighter colors going to be available? I like the pants but not in black! I'd hate to have to go buy a pair of Dakars just because they are Silver/white.
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:17 PM   #97
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Sorry for the delay I was in Utah doing this........





So back to questions

Sorry right now I have my hands full just getting these made so I dont see any additional colors coming soon

Mint Julep.....

The 2012 Colorado Pants do not have an option for armor, however the 2013 Colorado Pants will have the option and I will be selling Forcefiled CE rated Knee and Hip armor. They should be available in the next few weeks, I will post full details on the new pants when they are ready to sell.

There is no liner, the pants are designed to fully zip up and be almost wind proof in cold weather and then there are 4 massive vents that open the entire length of the upper thigh to flow tons of air for warmer weather, so the goal when I made these was to have more of a "do it all" pant. This also provided excellent durability for trail/enduro riders and great crash protection for DS/street because the pant shell is 100% nylon, either 840/1680 opposed to Nylon or mesh on many pants.

As to water resistance see this post from a few pages back.....

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Hey Wizz,

Yes eventually Right now the Colorado Pant is water resistant, but how well they work really depends on your needs, expectations and what your definition of water resistant is.

So a little background on waterproof clothing first........

There is a big difference between "waterproof" and "waterproof/breathable" (WB). Almost all MC apparel that is waterproof/ breathable is made using some kind of speciality coating or membrane on the back of a normal nylon fabric. This coating has small pores that allow air particles to escape, hence the "breathable", yet are small enough to keep water out.

The thing you need to really look at and weigh when choosing WB clothing is that almost all apparel on the market uses a lighter WB fabric then a comparable non-waterproof breathable garment, so the durability and crash protection, etc are decreased. (Some don't even use nylon, they are using a polyester shell which should be avoided at all costs for MC use.) For example the vast majority, if not all, WB garments are made out of 500d nylon, where as the non waterproof versions are using 840d or 1Kd nylon. It is something to keep in mind when shopping around and if it is going to be abused routinely it may be better to look at a non water proof product and getting a little wet from time to time. If you dont plan on hitting the ground much it wont matter though

Having that in mind I said the Colorado Pant was water resistant, so let me explain why that is.

Just about any nylon fabric comes with something called a Durable Water Repellant Finish (DWR) on the back of the fabric. This is a polyurethane coating that is applied to the fabric at the mill, the primary purpose being that it makes the fabric very resistant to unraveling from tears, cuts etc, thus the name durable. However it also has a convenient side effect of making the fabric basically water proof. For all reasonable purposes any fabric with a DWR coating is waterproof, however do not confuse it with being brethable, it is basically air tight also, if it were not for the natural minuet air flow created by the sewing process.

Any garment that is made of all nylon with a DWR coating is waterproof, but it becomes water resistant when you sew the pieces together and the water actually leaks in from the needle holes. This is why truly waterproof gear uses "taped" seams to ensure all the holes from sewing are covered. This additional step in the manufacturing process also contributes to the higher cost for WB gear.

In a long winded story the short answer to your question is this equates to the Colorado Pant being water resistant because it uses a shell made of 100% DWR 840 and 1680 nylon, there are no stretch panels, no mesh panels, or anything else that will let the water in besides the sewing holes. As a result the Colorado Pants can get much more water on them before they leak compared to other pants on the market, but I cannot give any kind of quantitative statement as to how long you can stay dry

In full disclosure and based on lost of miles in the pants, the majority of your body will stay dry for quite awhile, but the first thing to get wet will be your crotch. This is because of the all the seams and needle holes in the crotch area and the fact water tends to pool there naturally.

Sorry that was not a direct answer, but hopefully if gives you enough information to have an educated idea of what the pants will do and why I say they are water resistant.

Let me know if that was totally confusing, or you have any other questions, always more than happy to help.

Ben

Thanks guys, let me know if you have any other questions and happy riding spring is here
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Sorry right now I have my hands full just getting these made so I dont see any additional colors coming soon


Oh, come on. Just sneak some grey/silver material in there for me! Thanks for the response!
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:18 PM   #99
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Has the new model arrived yet???
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:51 AM   #100
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I am starting to get the 2013 stuff in and it is now listed on the webpage, ready to be sold. As soon as I get time (I am still trying to get ready for Canyonlands) I am going to do a post highlighting the new 2013 Colorado Pant. I think people will really like it and I now have XL and Medium Tall sizes.

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Old 04-29-2013, 08:39 AM   #101
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I wish I had waited for the upgraded 2013 pants. The build quality of my original Dubinky pants is great, but hip armor and knee pockets would be a welcome addition. Furthermore, the cuffs are a little too tight (even at the loosest end of adjustment)around my SG10 boots, causing the pants to pull down, resulting in a case of plumbers crack. For those with Smaller boots and or calves this is probably a non issue. Maybe I'll have a rubberized waist band sewn in to them... Hint. Other than that, great pants that are made in the USA. Good to see Cox has listened to rider feedback and revised them.
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Prototype 2013 Colorado Pants

I have a used Medium prototype of the current 2013 Colorado Pant for sale, $90 shipped.

This pant was used to design the current 2013 Colorado Pant and has been used some. The is visible wear on the inner leather legs and some scuffs on the seat. Overall it is in very good condition.

There are some differences between this and the production 2013 Colorado pant:
-Seat is 840 Nylon vs 1680
-Leather is 'naked' so there is no oil and it will show wear more than the high oil content of the production model.
-The pant has 2 small pockets on top of the cargo pockets vs only having cargo on the production pant
-Leg cinch straps vs none on the production pants
-The knee armor pockets do not have any velcro so you have to watch to not catch your feet putting them on.
-There is no logos or graphics anywhere on the pants

Other then that they are the same as the ALL NEW 2013 COLORADO PANT with the option for CE armor, beltloops, reflective piping, redesigned crotch and added inseam length, etc, etc.









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Old 05-10-2013, 09:07 AM   #103
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Good looking pants. My only nit pick would be the choice of white for the mesh inside the vents. Black would look more blended in.
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Do you have anything in the works for Large/Tall, XL/Tall, you know-for some of us "man sized" riders.
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Do you have anything in the works for Large/Tall, XL/Tall, you know-for some of us "man sized" riders.
Maybe in the next production run I will be able to add another tall size, but we'll see

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