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Old 07-10-2013, 06:15 AM   #3061
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Doctors

Doctors advise you not to ride with any pen in your body. full stop.

Could it have gotten ugly if he had fallen? yes
Could it have gotten ugly if he fell a week earlier? yes

Could M&M gotten seriously hurt dismounting at 260 km/h? yes

Lets not forget it is a dangerous sport , the wrong mindset could get yourself of someone else seriously hurt.

I personally do not think he was playing with his life to ride with this injury, it could have affected his carreer if he tumbled but so could any fall theoretically.

If the pain or injury inhibited him of controlling the bike properely he would have pulled out. Like he said in his interview "I went out to try and see how it would go, it went well".

Simply the choices we make in life.
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Old 07-10-2013, 06:19 AM   #3062
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What about crashing in 2 weeks or 5 why is it any different to the safety of his arteries.
Dave Sadowski pounding down his collar bone plate after a crash in practice to get back out there. It bent and was sticking up so he pounded it down to ride again. There's so many similar stories of pain and suffering by racers.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:04 AM   #3063
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+1 Dick Mann sawing off his leg cast so he could race in the 1970 Sacramento Mile. He was 36 years old at the time.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:20 AM   #3064
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Lorenzo risks serious injury every time he gets on a MotoGP bike and rides. Why would he not ride at Assen due to the risk of serious injury? If that risk was going to stop him at Assen it would stop him every race.

Do riders need to be protected from themselves? Maybe, but to what end... As long as he isn't endangering anyone else - and in this case he wasn't - who is better placed to accept the risk of further injury and all that goes with it than Lorenzo himself.

I'll bet that there are plenty of people saying that Lorenzo shouldn't have raced who also branded Stoner as weak or mentally fragile when he took time off to sort out his illness, and he was throwing up in his helmet and borderline passing out while on the bike. Where was the greater risk?
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:27 AM   #3065
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Seeing a lot of slippery slope fallacies: "Motorcycle racing is already dangerous, if he wants to ride it's up to him." For people who are into that kind of thing, there's always IoMTT or Macau.

Maybe the biggest concern for me in Noyes' article was that there seemed to be a double standard, where Edwards wasn't allowed to race, but because Lorenzo has more pull he was given permission.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:45 AM   #3066
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Seeing a lot of slippery slope fallacies: "Motorcycle racing is already dangerous, if he wants to ride it's up to him." For people who are into that kind of thing, there's always IoMTT or Macau.

Maybe the biggest concern for me in Noyes' article was that there seemed to be a double standard, where Edwards wasn't allowed to race, but because Lorenzo has more pull he was given permission.
Funny you mention IoM and Macau. I'm a fan of road racing
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:46 AM   #3067
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Tell me, why these guys all of a sudden need no recovery period whatsoever after surgery? Has evolution already made gp riders so different to regular men (or even gp riders of the past?)

And why does it suddenly not affect the amount of risk taken, if you decide to race some 36hrs after your operation?
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:11 AM   #3068
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Maybe the biggest concern for me in Noyes' article was that there seemed to be a double standard, where Edwards wasn't allowed to race, but because Lorenzo has more pull he was given permission.
To be precise it's not exactly a double standard. Different Chief Medical Officers of the Circuit gave different rulings. No one overruled an official declaration by an authority in the normal clearance channels in either case. Only Lorenzo did not follow the recomendation of the surgeon who did the repair. I have not seen a statement from Edward's surgeon, but I'll be they also recommended he not race on it so soon afterwards.
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:41 AM   #3069
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Tell me, why these guys all of a sudden need no recovery period whatsoever after surgery? Has evolution already made gp riders so different to regular men (or even gp riders of the past?)

And why does it suddenly not affect the amount of risk taken, if you decide to race some 36hrs after your operation?
It seems that today's theory is that you get back moving ASAP so nothing freezes up. You still have to be particular about direction of movement for particular breaks.
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:58 AM   #3070
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"get back moving"=for starters, ride a 260hp motorcycle at racing speeds? nothing milder would qualify as getting back moving??
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:01 AM   #3071
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Tell me, why these guys all of a sudden need no recovery period whatsoever after surgery? Has evolution already made gp riders so different to regular men (or even gp riders of the past?)

And why does it suddenly not affect the amount of risk taken, if you decide to race some 36hrs after your operation?
Risk is the combination of two things. Likelihood and consequence. The likelihood of Lorenzo crashing didn't change (Lorenzo was declared fit to race). The consequence did. The risk increased for sure, but if the risk is only on Lorenzo (we'll leave Yamaha and sponsors out of this) why not allow him to accept that risk?

This of course assumes that the fitness standards that racers are required to meet in order to race are appropriate... I've broken both collarbones (different occasions) and I struggled to put on a t shirt or tie my laces. It's got me stuffed how he raced!
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:10 AM   #3072
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I've broken both collarbones (different occasions) and I struggled to put on a t shirt or tie my laces. It's got me stuffed how he raced!
When I broke mine, I couldn't even reach for the TV remote for a few days. Was back at work in about 4 days but had to reach across to close the door of the truck. I can't imagine how he pulled that off!
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:21 AM   #3073
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The amount they get paid, i would mount those bikes even if my head fell off.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:21 AM   #3074
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I'm not saying he could not race. If he's cleared fit, and decides to skip his doctors advice altogether, surely he could. The discussion is, how smart that was.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:31 AM   #3075
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I'm not saying he could not race. If he's cleared fit, and decides to skip his doctors advice altogether, surely he could. The discussion is, how smart that was.
I think in a situation as this, the doctor has to advice him not to race. If the doctor told him it's ok to race and JLO crashed and died, it might come back to bite the doctor. I don't know if JLO was smart, but the doctor was smart.
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