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Old 08-04-2013, 08:29 AM   #3736
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But Ducati's recent history (i.e. since the Pantah 500) has been built on using the engine as a fully or almost fully stressed frame member. That includes all the racing Superbikes and all but the last couple of MotoGP bikes.
No sir. Steel trellis frame for all of them. No alu "deltabox" though. Only Ducati production superbike with fully stressed engine is the Panigale.
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So, IMO they haven't ditched the concept until they have designed and built an engine doesn't have that task in the design brief.
I agree, it appears that they are still trying to find the "right" frame solution in order to build a definitive version of the engine. But it's getting too late IMO. Wake up guys!
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Old 08-04-2013, 08:50 AM   #3737
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Also there's a rumor about the "Wroom" event that from 2005 has been held every year in winter at the italian ski resort of Madonna di Campiglio for the presentation of the upcoming seasons of team Ferrari F1 in conjunction with team MotoGP Ducati Corse.
Well, there won't be such a thing in 2014. Still nobody knows if it is because of the new ownership at Ducati (Audi or VW, as you prefer) that are actually rivals of Ferrari (and the Fiat Group) in the same market, or if it is because of the main sponsor that organise the event (Marlboro) that has been reported as not sure to remain with both teams in 2014...
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:50 AM   #3738
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Watching the WSBK race on TV, Jonathan Green just said Nicky Hayden is rumored to be coming to WSBK, replacing Jonathan Rea at Honda, with Rea taking a seat somewhere in MotoGP. what?

Hadn't heard that one before today. Anybody know if this tale has any real legs under it?

Or is this just another TV guy talking through his ass?
If he goes there, I hope Honda is going to do some significant updates to the Fireblade.
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Old 08-04-2013, 12:29 PM   #3739
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I agree, it appears that they are still trying to find the "right" frame solution in order to build a definitive version of the engine. But it's getting too late IMO. Wake up guys!
It appears that the way the current formula is structured (tires, engines, cpu) there is only one ideal frame solution - and that is delta box. Unsurprisingly, the manufacturers with a long history of perimeter frame development (and rule making) are dominating the series, and the only thing Ducati can do to compete is to "build a Honda". The problem is they need to sell "Ducatis".
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Old 08-04-2013, 12:51 PM   #3740
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Comment here from Wayne Gardner speculating on the possibility of a comeback from Stoner.
That ship has already sailed. He would face a dilemma not unlike Crutchlow's; who does he expect to abdicate in his favor? Honda has every chance of a 1-2 this season. Should Honda fire the runner-up just so Mr Cranky-Pants can return?
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Old 08-04-2013, 01:00 PM   #3741
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That ship has already sailed. He would face a dilemma not unlike Crutchlow's; who does he expect to abdicate in his favor? Honda has every chance of a 1-2 this season. Should Honda fire the runner-up just so Mr Cranky-Pants can return?
Honda will have 4 factory rides next year. I am pretty sure they would drop someone to get Stoner back.
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Old 08-04-2013, 01:11 PM   #3742
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Honda will have 4 factory rides next year. I am pretty sure they would drop someone to get Stoner back.

They have 4 this year. No change for next year.
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Old 08-04-2013, 01:13 PM   #3743
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They have 4 this year. No change for next year.

Sorry I wasn't so clear, what I meant was that the Repsol Squad isn't the only place Honda could put him. I have a feeling that if Casey truly wanted to come back, someone else would get bumped pretty quickly.
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Old 08-04-2013, 01:14 PM   #3744
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That ship has already sailed. He would face a dilemma not unlike Crutchlow's; who does he expect to abdicate in his favor? Honda has every chance of a 1-2 this season. Should Honda fire the runner-up just so Mr Cranky-Pants can return?
+1

Repsol riders each have a year left on their contract and also both deserve to keep their seats (and one of them is likely to be WC) not to mention Spanish sponsor. Something would have to go down at LCR or Gresini in order for Stoner to be on a Honda prototype next year.
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. I have a feeling that if Casey truly wanted to come back, someone else would get bumped pretty quickly.

I agree with that.
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Stoner will never race a MotoGP bike again.
The most he will ever do is ride a parade lap at Phillip Island.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:07 PM   #3747
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No sir. Steel trellis frame for all of them. No alu "deltabox" though. Only Ducati production superbike with fully stressed engine is the Panigale.
I agree, it appears that they are still trying to find the "right" frame solution in order to build a definitive version of the engine. But it's getting too late IMO. Wake up guys!
Well, actually the 851 had the swinger mounted to the motor, so I would say that the motor was part of the chassis and stressed. The Monster and touring series used a modified version of the 851 chassis, so they are stressed as well. So too the 900/750SS series and even the Supermono. The 916-998-1098 etc attached the swinger to the chassis in a conventional way. I guess we can call those models twin spar, even though they are trellis.
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Old 08-04-2013, 03:08 PM   #3748
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That ship has already sailed. He would face a dilemma not unlike Crutchlow's; who does he expect to abdicate in his favor? Honda has every chance of a 1-2 this season. Should Honda fire the runner-up just so Mr Cranky-Pants can return?


After Pedrosa doesn't win another championship, who cares?
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Old 08-04-2013, 04:30 PM   #3749
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The 916-998-1098 etc attached the swinger to the chassis in a conventional way. I guess we can call those models twin spar, even though they are trellis.
I think the swingarm still went through the motor. They just ran the frame down to the swingarm to tie the front to the rear.

As a long time Ducati owner, I would like to see Ducati do what it takes to win.

Also, I am not real excited about their current production SBK which attaches the steering head to the motor via aluminum snorkel. I loved the springy feel of the steel frame when it was leaned over on its ear.
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Old 08-04-2013, 04:38 PM   #3750
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That ship has already sailed. He would face a dilemma not unlike Crutchlow's; who does he expect to abdicate in his favor? Honda has every chance of a 1-2 this season. Should Honda fire the runner-up just so Mr Cranky-Pants can return?
Stoner may be on speaking terms with HRC, but he's going to have a problem getting any favours from DORNA.
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