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Old 10-09-2013, 10:57 AM   #4786
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[QUOTE=mike54;22515488] Nobody cares what kind of fuel mileage race bikes get. /QUOTE]
The riders and the engineers do. It's a means of restricting hp or, more importantly a means of maximizing engine performance.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:03 AM   #4787
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So... Dall'Inga will start re-designing the 2014 Ducati when? Right after Valencia? January 1, 2014? Meanwhile Casey's already tested rev 2 of the 2014 Honda and says it's a rocket.

Gotta be painful for Ducati sponsors to see the 2014 season written off before it even begins.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:20 AM   #4788
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:21 AM   #4789
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Nobody cares what kind of fuel mileage race bikes get. /QUOTE]
The riders and the engineers do. It's a means of restricting hp or, more importantly a means of maximizing engine performance.
Only because there's a rule restricting the amount of fuel they can carry. Nobody looks at MPG directly.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:23 AM   #4790
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The proddy honda will always be just a bit behind but at larger tracks where it can use more fuel it should be close. The bikes belong to the teams so they can do with them as they please. They have spec software. They dont need Honda there holding their hand.


Aspar should take the honda. I'm sad to see this happening to Aprilia but they are not willing to give Dall"Igna what he wants.
Very good points. But...I am pretty sure the Yamaha will come with its own engineer provided by Yamaha. I would be surprised if that doesn't happen with the Honda.

It would be great to see the non-MSMA bikes be competitive through having different strengths.

I also believe we are already seeing a blurring of the lines between the teams out right purchasing the bikes and the manus providing the bikes to the teams and riders they want to have the bikes.

I have almost wondered if it might not be Yamaha that buys out Aleix's contract (maybe indirectly) from Aspar. It would be good for them to have Aleix in the essentially the same bike as Pol. everyone has seen how close the brothers are.

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So... Dall'Inga will start re-designing the 2014 Ducati when? Right after Valencia? January 1, 2014? Meanwhile Casey's already tested rev 2 of the 2014 Honda and says it's a rocket.

Gotta be painful for Ducati sponsors to see the 2014 season written off before it even begins.
Yeah. I will believe it when I see it.

It all sure makes things very, very interesting, for the championship, for the riders who may benefit, for the 2014 season.

Only Aprilia is left out.

Ultimately, having the non MSMA bikes all over the backs of the satellite Hondas and Yamahas (and Factory Ducatis ) will be super exciting to see.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:23 AM   #4791
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:35 AM   #4792
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Only because there's a rule restricting the amount of fuel they can carry. Nobody looks at MPG directly.
Right but motogp is (supposed to be) a prototype class where new technologies are employed to push the limits and create the fastest machine possible given a certain set of rules. And hopefully those technologies are useful enough that the factories can implement them onto production equipment to give us better bikes and to help the manufactures to sell more bikes. Improving fuel efficiency is no different that decreasing braking distances. Anyway, enough on this topic. I am glad there are fuel restrictions as I think the technical developments in that arena are the most beneficial to the consumer. I can understand how others see it differently.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:54 AM   #4793
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So... Dall'Inga will start re-designing the 2014 Ducati when? Right after Valencia? January 1, 2014? Meanwhile Casey's already tested rev 2 of the 2014 Honda and says it's a rocket.

Gotta be painful for Ducati sponsors to see the 2014 season written off before it even begins.
Im Guessing he builds a RSV4 (ish) frame that can fit a 90 Degree v4 in it to start and works from there. I'm sure he can turn it around pretty quick. The reason Ducati cant turn out new frames is they dont know how to make an alu one. Ducati is a trelli and carbon frame company. Aprilia is a frame company that use to have rotax built all their motors.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:58 AM   #4794
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Anyway, enough on this topic. I am glad there are fuel restrictions as I think the technical developments in that arena are the most beneficial to the consumer. I can understand how others see it differently.
As long as they go to a combined rider/bike weight rule as when the fuel limit gets lower it just benefits the jockey riders. We don't need more riders on diets so they can finish a race..
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:03 PM   #4795
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As long as they go to a combined rider/bike weight rule as when the fuel limit gets lower it just benefits the jockey riders. We don't need more riders on diets so they can finish a race..
What's next? Handicaps for basketball players that are too short?

Shortened handlebars mandated for taller riders for their unfair leverage advantage? Madness!

They just need to sack up and race. And maybe smoke more cigarettes and drink more beers. And screw more brolly girls.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:08 PM   #4796
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They just need to sack up and race. And maybe smoke more cigarettes and drink more beers. And screw more brolly girls.
When men were men and racing didn't have fuel limits or wheelie control..
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:19 PM   #4797
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What's next? Handicaps for basketball players that are too short?

Shortened handlebars mandated for taller riders for their unfair leverage advantage? Madness!

They just need to sack up and race. And maybe smoke more cigarettes and drink more beers. And screw more brolly girls.
Good God it's 1970 all over again.

Next you'll say they need to push start their own bikes at the start of the race.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:22 PM   #4798
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:23 PM   #4799
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I think that limiting fuel usage to increase mileage is kind of a red herring. I believe the rule was implemented to bring some parity to the series. Dorna's interest is in competitive, entertaining racing. Parity will help provide that. Nobody cares what kind of fuel mileage race bikes get. That would be a hard sell to a mass audience.

Exactly
I know I am idealist.....but in a prototype series....or what is supposed to be one.....limit displacement( and stroke type(2 or 4)), and leave everything else alone....let them run the tires they want, the amount of fuel they want, and the electronics they want or do not want.

If they start putting too many limits and restrictions on GP, it is going to turn into another Nascrap series, and none of us want that...well hopefully most of us do not want that.

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Old 10-09-2013, 01:25 PM   #4800
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When men were men and racing didn't have fuel limits or wheelie control..
Maybe they could take a half liter of fuel from riders under a certain weight. That seems to be where Rossi is losing out. This is about Rossi, isn't it?

JB has been calling for the weight rule. I would hate for that to be his final legacy.

The bikes have already grown too heavy IMHO. Nearly as heavy as Superbikes, which have gotten too heavy, too.

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Good God it's 1970 all over again.

Next you'll say they need to push start their own bikes at the start of the race.
Gasp!
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