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Old 10-14-2013, 12:27 AM   #4921
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Geez are we still talking about Stoner? I never had a problem with the guy. Fast and spoke his mind. It seems like criticism of any kind is totally unacceptable these days. He spoke the truth as he saw it and let the chips fall where they may. Could he beat MM? Who knows we're probably never going to find out. He won the chanpionship on a Ducati, a Ducati for dog's sake. Let it go.....
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Old 10-14-2013, 12:47 AM   #4922
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Wikipedia ranks Schwantz below Stoner. Feel better? But since you bring up Schwantz he stuck around as an active racer in the top tier for 10 years. He didn't quit. Kevin has also given a lot back to the racing community and done more to cement his legacy since he left.

Casey will be remembered more for quitting and what ifs rather than what he did with Ducati.
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Old 10-14-2013, 01:46 AM   #4923
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Geez are we still talking about Stoner?

He won the chanpionship on a Ducati, a Ducati for dog's sake. Let it go.....
Stoner´s 2007 world championship with Ducati now seems to be lifted into some sort of ´mythical´ level....

Keep in mind, that they had a lot of things going for them that one year, including being on the “right” tyres (which used to be Michelins, but then suddenly in -07, it was the Stones, which they had).. and also CS27´s main rivals suffered some serious setbacks, with their tyres and other stuff.

Don´t get me wrong, it really was a great achievement. And I rate this guy very very high, and he´s earned it. But even if he still is by far the most succesful Ducati rider, it was a steady downhill ALSO for him at Ducati after that one magical year. Switch to the spec tyre really hurt them. And the others fixed their problems, and soon left Ducati behind, as they could not find solutions to their problems – and they still can´t, been more or less this way for 5 or 6 years now. That was one of the reasons CS27 left, and went back to Honda.
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:18 AM   #4924
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And then he won the championship again and I agree with what you said about his time with Ducati as well. Really looking forward to PI.
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:26 AM   #4925
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Lorenzo is impressive, both as a rider and as a human being. He's a great role model. He came to MotoGP pretty full of himself and had some big high sides, but he learned quickly and made immediate changes. He has incredible strength of character, speaks his mind, and balances his will to win with a high regard for the safety of other riders. He doesn't play to the audience much because his source of strength and support comes from within. I admire those qualities.
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:16 AM   #4926
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Looks like Aspar will go with Honda.

http://www.gpone.com/en/201310131183...lla-Honda.html
Awesome! I think Honda has the bike that gives Nicky a chance to be competitive. It would be nice to see NH in the top 5 or so and and maybe an occasional podium.

It's all about $$(or euros or whatever) and Honda has a bunch. Yamaha has some deep pockets too. Unfortunately the rest of the manufacturers aren't as fortunate as Yamaha and Honda and therefore can't afford to be as competitive.
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:35 AM   #4927
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Look at the opportunity it gave him. I just think that you should give something back to an industry you've been fortunate enough to be successful in. It's just the way I look at life. But that's a whole 'nuther topic. Like I said, I wasn't singleing him out. Plenty of folks cash in and get out. But he saw so many things that he thought needed changing. He could either try to fix 'em and make the sport better. Or he could go fishing. He went fishing. I can't hold someone like that in high esteem.
You don't think that two titles and entertaining millions with some pretty breathtaking riding - including playing his part in one of the most memorable battles in MotoGP history - is giving back to the industry?
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:28 AM   #4928
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We are all just puppets in someone else's game. If we were not making them money, they would not be controlling the strings...they would cut them.

I say Kudos to Casey having the ability to make the choice to cut his own strings and walk away on his terms.
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:33 AM   #4929
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Lorenzo is impressive, both as a rider and as a human being. He's a great role model. He came to MotoGP pretty full of himself and had some big high sides, but he learned quickly and made immediate changes. He has incredible strength of character, speaks his mind, and balances his will to win with a high regard for the safety of other riders. He doesn't play to the audience much because his source of strength and support comes from within. I admire those qualities.
Very well said. Agree with you 100%.

There are times such as this last race and Aragon when he simply can't win due to machinery but, it seems if it's at all possible to be fighting for the win he is there and executes the plan necessary to win. I have so much respect for that guy.
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:39 AM   #4930
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You don't think that two titles and entertaining millions with some pretty breathtaking riding - including playing his part in one of the most memorable battles in MotoGP history - is giving back to the industry?
Some people (Rossi fans) are just never going to except that Stoner was a legend.


Unless he needs money He will never come back. He has a wife and kid and seems like the racer in him maybe gone.
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:45 AM   #4931
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Some people (Rossi fans) are just never going to except that Stoner was a legend.
Two titles does not a legend make, sorry.

Helluva rider for sure. My standards for legendary status aren't the same as yours, I guess.
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:53 AM   #4932
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Two titles does not a legend make, sorry.
Schwantz is a legend and he only won 1 championship.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:01 AM   #4933
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Schwantz is a legend and he only won 1 championship.
He is?

Spencer, KRsr, Ago... yeah. Doohan maybe for racing and winning despite his injury.

34 for most bikes trashed maybe?
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:08 AM   #4934
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:12 AM   #4935
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You don't think that two titles and entertaining millions with some pretty breathtaking riding - including playing his part in one of the most memorable battles in MotoGP history - is giving back to the industry?
I didn't say he didn't do his job. But he has a lot of complaints about the way MotoGP is run. About the demands that are put on the riders particularly. He seems to think it used to be different. Since he can't teleport back in time and race in the 'good old days', he can suck it up and deal with it, try to make changes, or take his toys and go home. Every one faces trials and adversity in their life. It's how you deal with it that raises your status to something special. Casey is a tremendous talent and can ride a motorcycle very fast. But I don't really think he's proven to be much of a racer, and certainly not a legend.

Like some one said. That's my opinion.
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