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Old 10-16-2013, 08:56 AM   #4996
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The satellite Honda's can get on the podium just fine... Bradl and Bautista are the problem. Riders basically just taking up space, useless really...
The races do need field fillers. Mid and rear pack riders racing each other.

Otherwise MotoGP would have MM, JLo, DP, VR and CC ...and lots of open, boring space until they come around again.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:02 AM   #4997
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The races do need field fillers. Mid and rear pack riders racing each other.

Otherwise MotoGP would have MM, JLo, DP, VR and CC ...and lots of open, boring space until they come around again.

I'm pretty sure that's what we have already...
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:08 AM   #4998
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That's the million dollar question. HRC satellite bike's in the hands of a killer would garner better results, I'm pretty sure of that. When it comes to midfielders and satellite bikes, most of those guys seemed destined for mediocrity compared to the better riders, who of course make their way to the top...

Bradl, Bautista, good riders, of course. But even on a factory ride, I doubt they'd be winners. They don't have the killer instinct, IMO of course... Yamaha has/had a better satellite rider in Crutchlow than Honda has currently in any of theirs...

Put it this way, Bautista and Bradl could be replaced by pretty much any qualified rider, and the results would be the same; The HRC satellite bike is what makes them finish behind the factory bikes in the 5,6,7,8 etc spots, not Bautista and Bradl.

I agree, they would not be much fast on a factory bike.

I expect the prody honda to be better than the tech 3 bikes. More power for sure. On the bigger tracks where they can use all the fuel and the TC/ electronics are not as important for exit speed it should be pretty good.

I would love to hear what CS thinks are the negative points on the bike.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:14 AM   #4999
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yes, they are going with Honda.
krop, not sure if you are going to be at any of the next couple of races but it would be interesting to ask Nicky if he did talk with Stoner to get his impressions of the prody Honda in helping him make the decision.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:21 AM   #5000
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krop, not sure if you are going to be at any of the next couple of races but it would be interesting to ask Nicky if he did talk with Stoner to get his impressions of the prody Honda in helping him make the decision.
They were team mates for a long time. I'm sure they have each others phone numbers.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:23 AM   #5001
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They were team mates for a long time. I'm sure they have each others phone numbers.
I wasn't interested in finding out if they had each others phone numbers.
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:19 AM   #5002
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I expect the prody honda to be better than the tech 3 bikes.
The Tech3 have semi-factory status and they're running their own software. Next year they will have the 2014 M1. They are the equivalent in Yamaha to LCR and Gresini teams that are backed up from HRC. I don't think the "factory MotoGP" will be overtaken many times from the "non-factory prototypes".
Honda production racers will compete against the 2013 M1 based bikes, both with Magneti Marelli developed software.
We'll see Ducati where will end up, while Aprilia is still a question mark...
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:38 AM   #5003
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"What if" is hard to prove, as there is no bike-swapping for our enjoyment, so it's hard to say if this rider would be this fast on that bike.

I watched Bautista push a Suzuki up near the front and now watch him having great battles with Rossi. To say that he's useless is a little harsh I think.
Bradl has been pretty impressive at times too.

IMO if you put those two on the big bikes they'd be on podiums more than not, if the 3 regulars were on lesser bikes.
These guys are phenoms; plain and simple (most of them). The difference in ability and motivation (if there is any) might be a percent or two if there was a way to quantify it.

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Old 10-16-2013, 11:38 AM   #5004
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For a heaver rider the fuel advantage of the prody bikes could make up for some of the power and electronic shortcomings relative factory bikes.
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Old 10-16-2013, 12:39 PM   #5005
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Bautista belongs there. He's been very fast lately now the his suspension system has been improved. He's not on Ohlins like the other Honda's are. It hurt him at first but they are making headway now.

I think Bradl is still learning. He knows he's not where he should be.


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"What if" is hard to prove, as there is no bike-swapping for our enjoyment, so it's hard to say if this rider would be this fast on that bike.

I watched Bautista push a Suzuki up near the front and now watch him having great battles with Rossi. To say that he's useless is a little harsh I think.
Bradl has been pretty impressive at times too.

IMO if you put those two on the big bikes they'd be on podiums more than not, if the 3 regulars were on lesser bikes.
These guys are phenoms; plain and simple (most of them). The difference in ability and motivation (if there is any) might be a percent or two if there was a way to quantify it.

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Old 10-16-2013, 12:41 PM   #5006
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Both are hampered by inferior brakes, too.

Hopefully Aspar can get the good brakes for their bikes.
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Old 10-16-2013, 01:07 PM   #5007
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krop, not sure if you are going to be at any of the next couple of races but it would be interesting to ask Nicky if he did talk with Stoner to get his impressions of the prody Honda in helping him make the decision.
I'll be at Valencia, but I'm 99.9% sure he didn't. They got along when they were teammates, but they weren't buddies. I don't expect he would have Stoner's phone number.
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Old 10-16-2013, 01:07 PM   #5008
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Both are hampered by inferior brakes, too.

Hopefully Aspar can get the good brakes for their bikes.
Or they can get a cheap loan from Crutchlow!
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Old 10-16-2013, 01:17 PM   #5009
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I think this is all Swimmer's attempt to get Pedrosa's phone number.
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Old 10-16-2013, 01:52 PM   #5010
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I think this is all Swimmer's attempt to get Pedrosa's phone number.
Trying to get DP off a MGP bike and onto a Kentucky Derby ride?

Then again I don't think Danny is big enough to be a jockey.
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