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Old 10-21-2013, 09:09 AM   #5056
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Not one comment regarding yesterday's bizarre race?

Beat to death.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:33 AM   #5057
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Not one comment regarding yesterday's bizarre race?
Yeah, that was some crazy crap...but don't want to have any spoilers for anyone who has not seen it yet. But def, a race to watch for sure.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:19 AM   #5058
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The race itself was about as usual, fun and a few nice passes in the mid pack, the drama at the front almost seemed staged to me. How in the heck could Honda not know specifically what the rule stated and meant about not exceeding 10 laps before the bike exchange.

What I read on Asphalt & Rubber that was supposed to be Honda's answer/excuse was lame. They claimed that they thought the rule meant they could run a full lap at the ten count then come in on what would be the 11th since Marquez had not completed the lap by entering the pit's.
I believe any competent team manager would have asked that question during the meeting when the race was shortened a second time.

The whole thing is a joke and the tire supplier should have done testing after the track was resurfaced.
Not GP's finest day IMHO.
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Old 10-21-2013, 12:29 PM   #5059
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Why is the track surface at PI so abrasive anyway, I'd have thought that there is an "industry standard" of what's acceptable at high profile venues?
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Old 10-21-2013, 01:13 PM   #5060
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TThey claimed that they thought the rule meant they could run a full lap at the ten count then come in on what would be the 11th since Marquez had not completed the lap by entering the pit's.
I believe any competent team manager would have asked that question during the meeting when the race was shortened a second time...
No meeting. As Edwards reported in his Twitter page they noticed the teams with "a piece of paper that passed around with race rules". Not a great communication effort...
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Old 10-21-2013, 01:38 PM   #5061
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No meeting. As Edwards reported in his Twitter page they noticed the teams with "a piece of paper that passed around with race rules". Not a great communication effort...
That ain't no way to run a horse race.
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Old 10-21-2013, 01:49 PM   #5062
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Why is the track surface at PI so abrasive anyway, I'd have thought that there is an "industry standard" of what's acceptable at high profile venues?
It wasn't abrasive, it was actually very grippy. But it was so grippy that the bikes were going too fast, and tires were getting too hot. Everyone loved the surface, Bradley Smith echoing the thoughts of others that it should be the industry standard.
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Old 10-21-2013, 01:54 PM   #5063
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It wasn't abrasive, it was actually very grippy. But it was so grippy that the bikes were going too fast, and tires were getting too hot. Everyone loved the surface, Bradley Smith echoing the thoughts of others that it should be the industry standard.
I was wondering about that. If they build a tire to last the whole race would it still be as grippy? It was like they were almost on a qualifying tire. We'll see next year I suppose.
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:02 PM   #5064
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I was wondering about that. If they build a tire to last the whole race would it still be as grippy? It was like they were almost on a qualifying tire. We'll see next year I suppose.
The tough thing about PI is planning for the weather. Will it be freezing cold? Blazing hot? Wet and cold? Wet and warm?

This year it was warmer than anticipated and combined with the new surface and lack of testing by the tire companies, we got the mess that was Moto GP.
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:10 PM   #5065
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I have a dumb question. When one of the mechanics was pushing Jorge's non-running bike forward the clutch was spinning. I assume the bike was in neutral, but even if it were in gear and the clutch was pulled in, shouldn't the clutch be stationary?
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Old 10-21-2013, 03:31 PM   #5066
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If it were in gear with the clutch in, the "basket" would spin, but the internal hub would be stationary as it is geared to the crankshaft.

I only say this because of course I can draw a direct comparison to my dirt bike (NOT!) so take it with a grain of salt.
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Old 10-21-2013, 03:31 PM   #5067
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I have a dumb question. When one of the mechanics was pushing Jorge's non-running bike forward the clutch was spinning. I assume the bike was in neutral, but even if it were in gear and the clutch was pulled in, shouldn't the clutch be stationary?
I am just guessing because I've never seen a MotoGP clutch, but if the bike is in neutral gear, the chain system will spin the whole clutch when rolling the motorcycle because neutral is a gear inside the tranny. Put it in gear and nothing rolls. De-clutch with a stopped motor and half the clutch spins while rolling.

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Old 10-21-2013, 06:44 PM   #5068
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If it were in gear with the clutch in, the "basket" would spin, but the internal hub would be stationary as it is geared to the crankshaft.

I only say this because of course I can draw a direct comparison to my dirt bike (NOT!) so take it with a grain of salt.
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Old 10-21-2013, 07:20 PM   #5069
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The tough thing about PI is planning for the weather. Will it be freezing cold? Blazing hot? Wet and cold? Wet and warm?

This year it was warmer than anticipated and combined with the new surface and lack of testing by the tire companies, we got the mess that was Moto GP.
Accurate as far as it goes, but as Rossi reiterated, riders have not had real tire options all year long. When the options are already limited, there is nowhere to turn when conditions vary outside the "expected". Since PI is so variable you'd think they'd come loaded for bear. Instead, they couldn't handle warm dry weather. WTF.
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Accurate as far as it goes, but as Rossi reiterated, riders have not had real tire options all year long. When the options are already limited, there is nowhere to turn when conditions vary outside the "expected". Since PI is so variable you'd think they'd come loaded for bear. Instead, they couldn't handle warm dry weather. WTF.
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