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Old 10-30-2013, 11:42 AM   #5251
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1. There is no GPS input into the ECU, so the way the software engineers calculate it is by comparing wheel speed, lean angle, gear, throttle position and several other factors against an internal data map of the track. They are then using the timing loops as calibration on each lap.

In other words, you can't remove positional awareness from the software unless you mandate spec software. Which is (hopefully) what Dorna will do in 2017.
I was under the impression that the multiple sectors in the timing loop allowed for "sector awareness" and that was a big part of the calculations. Thanks for the clarification.

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2. Positional awareness is a logical step in vehicle electronics. GPS is becoming ubiquitous, and more and more mapping data is becoming available, complete with ever more detail on the roads themselves. I expect road-specific electronics to make their way into high-end cars in a couple of years times, and onto bikes in 5-10 years time. It's a great USP for a high-end sports bike, and the data exists. The programming involved is relatively trivial, and there is more and more data available and being shared. Audi is already trialling cars which communicate with each other in Germany, passing traffic data and data about roads between specially adapted vehicles, and as sensors increase on vehicles, the amount of data sent will increase. Combine that with weather data and adaptive algorithms and you have vehicles with software mappings for every corner in the world.
This is probably getting off-topic, but I see a huge difference between vehicles sharing data automagically in a mesh format and having a pre-populated database of road conditions. Given how many issues there are with the presence or lack of a road in a given place near here, the idea that the bike could have pre-existing knowledge of the ideal settings for each corner seems rather like a pipe dream. Again, I see adaptive algorithms—quite likely with input from nearby vehicles as well as roadway sensors and the like—as likely to be a staple of future vehicles, as we already have basic adaptive systems in the form of traction control, ABS and the like, but refining the adaptive algorithms seems far more road-oriented than trying to prebuild settings for every corner. I could easily see good data collection for high-traffic areas, but I'm not sure if any roads in Vermont qualify under that description.

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding how the systems work, as I learned most of what I know via the Internet...which, as we all know, is always right.
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Old 10-30-2013, 02:54 PM   #5252
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I appreciate the pro electronic viewpoint but other than an ECU to control fueling for the engine I wish they were banned.
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Old 10-30-2013, 03:19 PM   #5253
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The softer tire is a cheap and easy solution to allow the CRT and now "open" bikes to be closer to the front.

Perfect? Nah. But a pretty simple and tidy bandaid.

And I am not 100% sure about next year, but I think the extra soft tire will still be there. The factories could have it too, if they would just hand over their precious non spec software.

It is kind of a brilliant ploy if you ask me; they can have one or the other, but not both.



Oh, but the new season will start right away! Total excitement for that week after.

Now there's an idea......how about Dorna and Bridgestone hire this guy as a tyre tester? He could hit all the tracks a few weeks in advance, and let them know if the tyres are gunna last more than 10 laps....

They say they weren't testing the proddy bike, but it's got Nissin brakes..

http://www.mcnews.com.au/.
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Old 10-30-2013, 03:23 PM   #5254
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Actually, looking closer at those pix, it looks like there are three different bikes, or fairings, at least...???
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Old 10-30-2013, 03:58 PM   #5255
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Actually, looking closer at those pix, it looks like there are three different bikes, or fairings, at least...???
I suspect they just took all of the pics from the Honda press site and put them up, and those pics are from at least 2 different tests.
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Old 10-31-2013, 05:00 AM   #5256
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Piece here at autosport.com where Lorenzo talks up his recent form - and justifiably.

But what chance does he really have?
JL has a chance, if MM makes a mistake, or something happens to him. Not very likely, but possible – a la Rossi/Valencia -06.
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Old 10-31-2013, 05:13 AM   #5257
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Just read the Motomatters "Opinion" on Puig vs. Alzamora.



VERY interesting.

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Old 10-31-2013, 08:46 AM   #5258
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They say they weren't testing the proddy bike, but it's got Nissin brakes..

http://www.mcnews.com.au/.
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I suspect they just took all of the pics from the Honda press site and put them up, and those pics are from at least 2 different tests.
Krop, I thought I read a tweet of yours yesterday (could have been by some one else?) saying Gresini would use Nissin and Showa and that the others would probably have Ohlins and Brembo? Maybe I misunderstood.

I think the teams could use whatever they please, but Honda might have a say in lending support.

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Just checked MCN.AU. Looks like Stoner was on one bike with Ohlins and Nissin and one with Ohlins and Brembo.
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Old 10-31-2013, 08:55 AM   #5259
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DC, I can't find it at MotoMatters. Of which do you speak?

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Old 10-31-2013, 09:01 AM   #5260
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DC, I can't find it at MotoMatters. Of which do you speak?

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Old 10-31-2013, 09:33 AM   #5261
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I thought I harmed Spaulders say they need to use Nissan for one practice session to fill the requirement and or use it on the rear. Was on a plane watching the practice/qualifying and distracted.
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:35 AM   #5262
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Krop, I thought I read a tweet of yours yesterday (could have been by some one else?) saying Gresini would use Nissin and Showa and that the others would probably have Ohlins and Brembo? Maybe I misunderstood.

I think the teams could use whatever they please, but Honda might have a say in lending support.

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Just checked MCN.AU. Looks like Stoner was on one bike with Ohlins and Nissin and one with Ohlins and Brembo.

The bike comes with Nissin and Showa. Gresini will be using Nissin and Showa. If other teams want to dump Showa for Ohlins, that's up to them. I don't know what Aspar will be doing.

I can't find any images from the Sugo test, other than the 2 photos in the press releases, which are both on the RC213V with Ohlins. I suspect some sites have been using archive photos from previous tests.
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Old 10-31-2013, 11:10 AM   #5263
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The bike comes with Nissin and Showa. Gresini will be using Nissin and Showa. If other teams want to dump Showa for Ohlins, that's up to them. I don't know what Aspar will be doing.

I can't find any images from the Sugo test, other than the 2 photos in the press releases, which are both on the RC213V with Ohlins. I suspect some sites have been using archive photos from previous tests.


Of course, this could provide an opportunity to develop Nissin and Showa into an advantage. Unlikely, IMHO, but could be.
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Old 10-31-2013, 12:42 PM   #5264
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Michael Jordan out of AMA PRO for 2014, but looking at WSBK or MotoGP. Possibly wild-card entries in 2014 and a full effort in 2015.

It'd be cool to have a US based team in either series, I hope they can make it work.

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It'd be cool to have a US based team in either series, I hope they can make it work.

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