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Old 11-13-2012, 06:10 PM   #16
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Both are inline twins.

In Europe it does make sense, as riders with a restricted license can't get the 700... But it doesn't make sense anywhere else.
In various forums there has been a contingent of people say that they want a version of the NC700X that has more horsepower, a steeper power curve with a higher redline, and doesn't hit the rev limiter just when if gets fun for them. Now they have it .... about the same horsepower as the 700X but with a conventional 500 cc DOHC engine and 40 or 50 lbs less weight. I think there still will be people attracted to the 700X because of it's unique high efficiency engine and not-a-tank storage. It is just different enough than other middleweight bikes to carve out it's own niche. For the riders getting off a scooter or CBR250 that want a conventional revver and don't want a supersport 600 there is a brace of 500cc bikes now. I think it makes good sense in the US after the large success of the CBR250R. There are buyers if the price is right and the value is there.

In a broad view this is big news for Honda and not a small risk for the conservative company it has been of late. Say what you will about the individual offerings but they haven't released this many bikes at once in a very long time. None of the big four Asians has and I think with the variety and value here they are bullish on a recovery in the motorcycle market place after the last 4 years of sales decline. There will be other new bikes in March 2013 too. It's not over.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:08 PM   #17
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The concept is great - I hope Honda delivers.
The X misses it by not having 17/19" wheels. A nod to the Strom there.
A parallel motor should make for a nice compact package as the old Kawi EX500 did.
The X and R look to be sensible bikes. Can the USA handle a sensible bike?
I like 'em (as I do the Ninja 300).
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:55 PM   #18
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Looks like the middle weight class is finally heating up.

this is what I've been wiating for....

If yamaha is asleep at the switch, looks like I'll be heading down to the Honda dealer before these are sold out!
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:07 PM   #19
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Maybe this engine will find its way into a street version of the new Dakar rally bike and replace the 650L? That could be quite a bike.

If not, then certainly they should have used a 19" front wheel

Oh and I would be willing to bet that this engine is a twin version of the CRF/CBR 250cc
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:40 AM   #20
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that setup with an offroad package would rock!
i figured kawi would have done it with the versys by now but no.
why can't the japanese figure this out? they are so close.
honda was competing with bmw for a bit but now bmw/husky are pulling away with strong bike concepts.

either way someone like motech will eventually make a skid plate and you can get 17" tck-80 front (or lift the fender like versys guys do and use other adv tires) and thus someone will make ADV versions of this bike.

500cc twins are perfect for ADV bikes http://www.rallytwin.com/
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:23 AM   #22
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From what I see this is what can be considered "better comfort street bike" but not "do it all" by any definition.
Offroad package is more than just 19-17 wheels and rather decorative crashbar with pair of fog lights. This bike clearly built with specific purpose.
Look at footpegs assemblies. Easy-snap type... Loot at passenger pegs assemblies one of which also holds end can. Look at location of all parts of exhaust system. Look at VERY budget suspension and swingarm. Look at wheels design.
I do not see at all why this is more of X bike than regular Honda CB600.
I think there is series of misinterpretation of what Honda actually trying to market like in their X bikes.
And inevitably everything that have "X" in it and pair of fog lights ends up in "Beasts" section.
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:34 AM   #23
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Is anyone that works at Honda more than five feet tall? Look at the peg placement on this thing. Pilot pegs are where passenger pegs should be. Passenger pegs are so high and far back any passenger must have a 24" inseam.

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Old 11-14-2012, 08:13 AM   #24
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Is anyone that works at Honda more than five feet tall? Look at the peg placement on this thing. Pilot pegs are where passenger pegs should be. Passenger pegs are so high and far back any passenger must have a 24" inseam.
That is inherited from a sportbike which 500x originates from. They have changed the coat, which costs next to nothing and that was it. To make a proper standard or an adventure, the coat change is not enough, the structure, the skeleton has to be different, but that is a new bike, and that is expensive to develop and build. Who would do that, if the only thing is needed to pass for an "adventure" is to be marketed as an adventure and to have an X in the name.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:02 AM   #25
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"Adventure" bikes have suffered the same fate as SUVs...

You can actually buy a "Jeep" that shares it's platform with a sedan... SUV, right.


I understand why they have done it... most of these bikes have their "adventures" while traveling from one Starbucks to another. I've seen WAY more GSAs being ridden by guys in suits than off roading. Middle weight "adventure" bikes have become "adventure commuters" and the big ones "adventure tourers" with emphasis on the touring part.

A few years ago these bikes at least tried to look the part, these new crop of bikes doesn't even get that right.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:57 AM   #26
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"Adventure" bikes have suffered the same fate as SUVs...


Middle weight "adventure" bikes have become "adventure commuters" and the big ones "adventure tourers" with emphasis on the touring part.
Nothing wrong with that concept - look how many SUV's get sold....what I disagree with is somehow that these flyweight motorcycles, which haven't sold well since the 70's, will all of a sudden be snapped up by commuters?

Take the old viffer 800 motor/chassis and gussy it up to look like an ADV bike, and I'd be all over that. Oh wait, they did that, but just aren't bringing it here. It's getting to be cliche, but Soichiro must be getting indian burns from rolling over in his grave so fast.......
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:11 AM   #27
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I'm not a cheer leader for Honda, or any other brand.

I have come to the conclusion that if you want an adventure bike you might as well choose a platform that meets your minimum requirements and then build it to suit your tastes, than keep it for a long time.

Every time I log onto one of these discussions I read statements like, if this or that was done, I'd be all over it. If they just built this or that I would buy one etc, etc. But this bike is too much of a street bike, or it is too heavy, or the engine is too small, or it has the wrong wheel size, or it needs spokes, or it won't cruise all day at 80 MPH, or the tank is too small, or you can't ride two up on it, or it needs $2,000 suspension system, on and on it goes. The need/requirements are so different that I would be hard pressed to name a single bike that meets the requirements. It stretches from the Yamaha 250cc to the 1200 cc bikes.

I have no answers, just saying!
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I have come to the conclusion that if you want an adventure bike you might as well choose a platform that meets your minimum requirements and then build it to suit your tastes, than keep it for a long time.
I generally agree with you. I think most of the frustration stems from the fact that the bikes that people would want to build would require non-trivial fab work on the frame, because you're usually talking about an engine swap from a larger bike to a smaller bike. I've done this with a mini (XR100 engine into a CR80 frame), and I can tell you it's not the easiest thing in the world, doubly so if you want to do it "right".

Swapping out or adding suspension/bodywork/controls/seat/luggage isn't that hard, but you need to start with a capable platform. I'd be hard pressed to imagine somebody being able to get 10"+ of suspension travel out of the back end of this new CB500X when the stock travel is less than 5".
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:53 AM   #29
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I'm not a cheer leader for Honda, or any other brand.

I have come to the conclusion that if you want an adventure bike you might as well choose a platform that meets your minimum requirements and then build it to suit your tastes, than keep it for a long time.

Every time I log onto one of these discussions I read statements like, if this or that was done, I'd be all over it. If they just built this or that I would buy one etc, etc. But this bike is too much of a street bike, or it is too heavy, or the engine is too small, or it has the wrong wheel size, or it needs spokes, or it won't cruise all day at 80 MPH, or the tank is too small, or you can't ride two up on it, or it needs $2,000 suspension system, on and on it goes. The need/requirements are so different that I would be hard pressed to name a single bike that meets the requirements. It stretches from the Yamaha 250cc to the 1200 cc bikes.

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Well said.

Plus aftermarketeers need jobs too, nothing wrong with that!

The way the bike market seems to be going, at least here, is:

£6000: 'novice' bike, commuter bike, budget bike

£9000: mid-size sports/ADV, naked, supersports

£12000: litre sports, big ADV, base tourers, some exotic nakeds

£16,000+: All singing & dancing, pick your segment

I think what these Honda 500s do (and the G650GS/Terra/NC700X) is a create a lot more opportunity for the relatively new rider (often overlooked by us crusty old farts, but these guys and girls need some love), the returning rider, and the budget biker, at a price that isn't going to destroy your credit card or bank account.

I'm not seeing bikes broken down into catetgories anymore, just price-point. That's probably a post-2008 issue.

The 500X seems about as useful to me as a Wee-Strom; which is to say, not useful in some scenarios, but pretty decent in enough areas to be a success.

ps. I have no idea why Kawasaki don't make a Versys 800. That would pretty much perfectly blend UJM with ADViness. But that's another thread.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:46 AM   #30
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This is nothing new. Motorcycle manufactures have used the same frames/engines/parts for different type bikes for decades. I would say the CB500X originates not from a sport bike, but from a "sporty" standard.
Agreed.

Afaik, which might not be much, the engine is all-new Ptwin (not the same as the Jazztastic engine in the 700X).

I don't know if the frame is though. The 'new' CBR600F is essentially a Honda Hornet.
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