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Old 07-24-2013, 10:43 AM   #631
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I don't see what the big deal is.

I've owned 5 bikes and 3 of those needed a valve check at the 600 mile mark
and probably the 4th too, but I didn't buy it new so I'm not sure.
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:48 AM   #632
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I don't see what the big deal is.

I've owned 5 bikes and 3 of those needed a valve check at the 600 mile mark
and probably the 4th too, but I didn't buy it new so I'm not sure.
A 600-mile check is relatively uncommon on new bikes which generally have much longer-valve check intervals than those of a generation ago. And a $300 valve check tends to hit harder for a $6500 bike than a $16500 bike - that's nearly 5% of the price of the bike expended on the first service.

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Old 07-24-2013, 11:16 AM   #633
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A 600-mile check is relatively uncommon on new bikes which generally have much longer-valve check intervals than those of a generation ago. And a $300 valve check tends to hit harder for a $6500 bike than a $16500 bike - that's nearly 5% of the price of the bike expended on the first service.

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Old 07-24-2013, 01:16 PM   #634
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250 GBP is just shy of $400 canadian, plus taxes, plus the service itself...more like 10% of the value of the bike. Thats a heavy service to handle in 1000 km.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:59 PM   #635
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This sounds cynical, but I doubt there is anything about the Honda's valve system which makes it need a 600-mile check anymore than any other bike.
from MCN:
"Honda’s reasons for the early valve clearance check are explained by spokesman Tom Hobbs. He said: “The all-new parallel twin engine designed specifically for the CB(R)500 series has a valve train system, which uses a rocker arm and shims design. This requires a valve clearance check at the first service, as per the owners’ manual."
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:06 PM   #636
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from MCN:
"Honda’s reasons for the early valve clearance check are explained by spokesman Tom Hobbs. He said: “The all-new parallel twin engine designed specifically for the CB(R)500 series has a valve train system, which uses a rocker arm and shims design. This requires a valve clearance check at the first service, as per the owners’ manual."
Perhaps a good time to pay sticker price for the bike, but ask for a 'parts only' charge on the first service?

Especially at the end of the month, when the dealer might need to meet sales targets.

I know some Dorsoduro owners who got stung by that 600-mile valve check, with a bill for £400.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:32 PM   #637
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250 GBP is just shy of $400 canadian, plus taxes, plus the service itself...more like 10% of the value of the bike. Thats a heavy service to handle in 1000 km.
Yes... you guys complaining about a valve check should buy a Ducati, no need for 600 mile valve check...

Come on guys, this is looking like some of you guys are missing the point here. This is a bargain motorcycle. It is not the 600 mile service that is expensive. It is the bike that is inexpensive.

Get it and be happy.
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:20 PM   #638
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from MCN:
"Honda’s reasons for the early valve clearance check are explained by spokesman Tom Hobbs. He said: “The all-new parallel twin engine designed specifically for the CB(R)500 series has a valve train system, which uses a rocker arm and shims design. This requires a valve clearance check at the first service, as per the owners’ manual."
There is nothing inherent in a "rocker arm and shims design" which requires more frequent valve checks. My S1000RR has rockers/shims and makes 180-hp per liter with a 14,500 RPM redline, compared to the CB500X which makes about half this power per liter and redlines at 9K. First valve check on the BMW? 18K miles.

Again, I admit I'm being a bit of a cynic on this, but Honda motorcycle dealers have been going out of business right/left and those that are left are not terribly excited to see their business shift from selling CBR600RR's with $2K profit margins to CB500's with $700 margins. And valve adjustment intervals are very arbitrary and often are more marketing-driven rather than technically-driven.

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Old 07-24-2013, 07:18 PM   #639
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Funny. Not one dealership has closed in Montana.
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:14 PM   #640
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if this is a ploy to regain some profit for their dealers, it will backfire; the dealership where I was considering buying my CB is an hour away... when service time arrives, I have to A) trailer it to said dealer or B)ride it up there the night before so it has time to cool before they adjust the valves; neither is going to happen, so I will either pay a little more locally, or keep riding my DR and Nighthawk 750, as much as I loved the CB.
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:28 PM   #641
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...valve adjustment intervals are very arbitrary and often are more marketing-driven rather than technically-driven...
I don't have a problem with the first part of that quote (in my experience it is largely true); however, from my perspective I think the second part is more warranty liability avoidance oriented than marketing oriented.
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Old 07-25-2013, 05:09 AM   #642
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Perhaps a good time to pay sticker price for the bike, but ask for a 'parts only' charge on the first service?

Especially at the end of the month, when the dealer might need to meet sales targets.

I know some Dorsoduro owners who got stung by that 600-mile valve check, with a bill for £400.
I bet most dealers won't even do the check, but will charge it.
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Old 07-28-2013, 06:11 AM   #643
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My dealer just got their first CB500X on the floor.
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Old 07-28-2013, 06:23 AM   #644
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:10 AM   #645
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Ride #2 Thoughts

After babying the X on my 55 mile, round-about ride home from the dealer on Thursday, I opted to employ a bit of the "MotoMan" method of engine break in on yesterday's ride. I spent 90% of my 65 mile ride on winding back roads, while keeping the RPMS down in the 4 -5.5k range for the majority of the time. After a good engine warm up, I progressively worked my way into the 6, 7, 8, and 9k RPM range during quick accelerations up hills, on the straights, out of turns etc. I also went out of my way to do a bit of extra engine braking on the downhills & into turns.

The bottom line: I came away from yesterday's ride feeling like the bike has all of the power I could possibly need. Accelerations in 3rd and 4th gear put me well into the "you crash/you die" zone. As a 37 year old new father, I won't be spending much time there in the future, so this bike has all of the get-up-and go I need, and then some.

Cruising on the highway: 5th & 6th gears were more than sufficient yesterday. 6th had me comfortably cruising @ 65 - 75 mph while humming along in the 5k - 6k RPM range. I was a bit concerned that the engine seemed to be working a little harder than I wanted at those speeds during ride #1, but not at all during yesterday's ride.

Other Impressions: Once again, I found the bike incredibly easy to ride. Super stable, GREAT ergos and just great all around. I'm VERY, VERY happy that I chose this bike over the much more expensive "adventure" machines such as the Triumph Tiger 800 and BMW F700gs. The bike does EVERYTHING I need it to with PLENTY of room to spare.

Leo Vince exhaust: I know that a slip on is not supposed to add HP, but call me crazy - the bike just seemed more responsive with it on (and looks a lot better too!). As per Sensei SandMantis's (from the CBR500 forum) advice, I left the baffel out of the exhaust. It's got a deeper, slightly louder tone but is still very acceptable from an overall DB standpoint. I wouldn't call it overly loud in the slightest - it's simply more "audibly" noticeable and a lot more aggressive than the stock exhaust. I think it'll be a bit safer out on the roads too simply because it will help *a bit* to raise awareness of your presence.

Next mods: Center stand is on the way (thanks for the help with the part # Rob-Houston!) along with 12 volt power outlet.

GREAT bike!!!!!

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