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Old 11-12-2012, 03:20 PM   #1
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Framing question...

Building a shed on the side of my house. Q: Do I need to notch these rafters where they sit on the top plate, or can I leave them like this:

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Old 11-12-2012, 03:37 PM   #2
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Yes, better to have the full width of the top plate contact the rafter.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:45 PM   #3
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You could fake it with a properly cut wedge under each rafter. Fasten the rafter to the plate with a hurricane clip in addition to toe nailing. GH
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:01 PM   #4
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and if you're going to only use a single top plate (instead of (2) 2x's stacked one on the other) you should stack the rafters directly over your wall studs. It'll save deflection of your top plate.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:03 PM   #5
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even on a small project like this, convention would be double top plate, stack framing, and birdmouth cuts on the rafters.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:12 PM   #6
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Good Advice

Seems like everyone here gave you pretty good advice. (I wouldn't do the wedge thing though.) Cut a birds mouth in those and then install blocking between the rafters on the outside of the double top plate. You can do this and still get a hurricane clip on there with no problem.

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Old 11-12-2012, 05:20 PM   #7
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I had a hunch you effers would tell me to double the top plate. So I cut the notches and will add a second top plate.

Hurricane clips? This is California!

Many thanks from the amateur carpenter....I need to keep the wife thinking that I know about this stuff. She got a bid of $4k to build this wing off the garage and my pride wouldn't let me pay it. $1k in materials and some busted thumbs later and I'll get it done...
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:21 PM   #8
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BTW...you don't happen to know Mike Zinker...lives out in Clark...
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:41 PM   #9
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I had a hunch you effers would tell me to double the top plate. So I cut the notches and will add a second top plate.

Hurricane clips? This is California!

Many thanks from the amateur carpenter....I need to keep the wife thinking that I know about this stuff. She got a bid of $4k to build this wing off the garage and my pride wouldn't let me pay it. $1k in materials and some busted thumbs later and I'll get it done...

In California they're called "earthquake ties"
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:21 PM   #10
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clips are "code" where ever you go no & matter what you call them
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:28 PM   #11
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clips are "code" where ever you go no & matter what you call them
Wind and rain will load that roof in unpredictable ways. Add the clips.
Even if you're skipping the permit and inspection part, you don't want to fail a buyer's inspection when you sell the house.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:41 PM   #12
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...you don't want to fail a buyer's inspection when you sell the house.
Good point. SWMBO is a realtor...although I hope to leave this house feet-first.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:23 AM   #13
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Good point. SWMBO is a realtor...although I hope to leave this house feet-first.
THAT has been my goal for the last 3 houses -- OMB keeps finding larger garages, though . . . .. . .

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Is this what you guys are telling him to do?



Rafter over stud so stud not cap supports weight.


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Old 11-13-2012, 01:55 PM   #15
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Is this what you guys are telling him to do?

I hope so, cause that's what I did! I made the "seat" 3-1/2" and the "heel" height to fit the slope of my rafter.
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