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Old 11-15-2012, 07:42 PM   #16
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BMW plans retro bike?

I am moist with anticipation.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:26 PM   #17
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I wish they would build one of these....but maybe with a rear suspension.





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I believe they came out in the mid 30's but the German Military demand for motorcycles gobbeled up most of them and turned manufacturing prioroties towards military machines. Not too many of these around anymore. I've read they are pretty much a handful to ride. But the engines are smooth as silk.


I used to own this Zundapp 1953 KS601......but didn't have deep enough pockets to restore it. Parts are VERY difficult to obtain and are very expensive.

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Old 11-15-2012, 09:34 PM   #18
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WOW!!!

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I wish they would build one of these....but maybe with a rear suspension.


Tell us something about it...


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Old 11-15-2012, 09:38 PM   #19
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Tell us something about it...


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Old 11-16-2012, 10:46 AM   #20
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If they really want do go "retro" and pay homage to their origins, something like this would be a good start-



Leave it as a hardtail, and keep the other end similar to this one, improved only with updated materials and damping that works. No point in adding rear suspension, as these things will only be used for short rides, and why add a newer-flavored suspension that has more failure points than advantages?.

Keep it as a flattie too... they've got enough low-end grunt to make for a pleasant ride, and the way our gas is heading, the requiem low C/R might become an advantage.
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:05 AM   #21
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I like the idea but no way they will be able to satisfy the riders that like classic bikes because they are simple and cheap.
It will likely just be styling that makes it retro not as drastic as the new CB1100
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:15 PM   #22
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they should just make an airhead. Why not? Works for guzzi.
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:54 PM   #23
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they should just make an airhead. Why not? Works for guzzi.
Why not
Get the luddites to buy in...
If you say no due to Euro and emission standards then look to Ural.. They can do it.. Based on 1930's BMW and Zunny tech...

Gimme a flat airhead with 850 cc and shaft drive.. Tart it up any way you see fit..
Ill add it to the stable with the T100
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:05 AM   #24
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https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/press...tem=node__6628

Looks to me like they're up to their ol' tricks to move on the last of the old models.

Traditionally they do this by announcing a "wonderful" new limited special edition characterised by a unique paint scheme and maybe a limited edition identifying badge. They might throw in another enticement, eg in the case of the US edn. LE '84 Motorsport they added a helmet to the deal.

The R100RS Motorsport 1978, Last Edition Motorsport 1984, R100RSR, JPS (in Oz), Outback R100, Serie 500 R100RS, R100LT mono, R1100S boxercup replika etc, etc. Other than the 78 the others all represent times of dwindling sales of models being phased out.


When they do this, it usually results in a beautiful machine, but not necessarily anything that's different under the skin.
Something else for next year...800GT


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Old 11-19-2012, 05:26 PM   #25
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If they really want do go "retro" and pay homage to their origins, something like this would be a good start-

Leave it as a hardtail, and keep the other end similar to this one, improved only with updated materials and damping that works. No point in adding rear suspension, as these things will only be used for short rides, and why add a newer-flavored suspension that has more failure points than advantages?.

Keep it as a flattie too... they've got enough low-end grunt to make for a pleasant ride, and the way our gas is heading, the requiem low C/R might become an advantage.
I'm sure they'll sell all 12 they build and have to market at $500,000 to cover development. You really think anyone is going to buy a hardtail?
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they should just make an airhead. Why not? Works for guzzi.
Because nobody is going to spend $10K for that bike.

There are bikes we'd like to own because we're vintage people. But there's a reason they stopped selling those old bikes. Technology moved ahead, a more reliable bike appeared, or a lower cost bike arrived.

In 1993, I went and looked at a K75S with bags. It was, back then, a $10K bike when I could buy a new Honda VFR for half as much. Yeah, the Kbike is a great bike, but the VFR had it outgunned in virtually every measurement of comparison.

Old bikes are just that: old bikes. When I was in college in the 70s, I had friends that were pissed because UK, INC. wasn't making bikes anymore. You know why? Market forces crushed them. Making old bikes now to satisfy some niche is the realm of small production teams like Dreer, but not in the best interests of manufacturers like BMW or Honda. In this market, they simply can't afford to build bikes that aren't going to be a mass market success. It just costs too much to bring a bike to market to gamble on a potential loser.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:30 PM   #27
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And that's why they market the "special" models 'cause they want to get rid of the last of their stuff as they're already the "old" models.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:35 PM   #28
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BMW is a progressive company, plain and simple. They will continue to push forward in technology and innovation and not look back. When their sales were almost isolated to the 50+ age range, they simply innovated and built the fastest production bike in existence and sold it at a price point that would attract a younger audience.

For BMW to actually manufacture another airhead they would need to completely retool or redesign current manufacturing processes and machinery. That's a massive investment to gamble on whether or not a vintage re-make would sell.

What's easier? Shoving the current generation engine into another chassis and calling a "vintage inspired" bike.

I don't think BMW is about to strike up a deal with Bing or any other carb manufacturer to power an airhead either. Isn't it US law that post 2013 motorcyles are supposed to be fuel injected anyways? That's probably just california (isn't it always) though.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:42 PM   #29
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:03 AM   #30
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If they really want do go "retro" and pay homage to their origins, something like this would be a good start-
I like the way you think, but I would want it to be more like this one. I would line up weeks in advance to throw my money at BMW for this bike!

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