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Old 11-15-2012, 04:14 PM   #1
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honda moly 60

getting ready to split my r1150gs to repair a seeping trans input seal
when i stopped at the honda dealer the parts guy suggested i add another type of grease with the moly when i do my spline lube but didnt have specs for the additive.
looking for suggestions moly only or ?
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:21 PM   #2
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NLGI II, Lithium soaped, moly fortified grease is what you need for splines on the BMW. Most folks use the Honda Moly paste 60. I've not heard of a grease cocktail being used.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:52 PM   #3
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I've always done 50/50 Honda Moly and Marine Grease. I believe it was Tom Cutter that told me to mix 50/50 a few years ago.
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:37 PM   #4
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thanks ill have to pull my old merc out drive stuff out of the attic.
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:53 PM   #5
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Don't use the grease; use the paste.

Moly grease has too much carrier and not enough moly.
An FD has more compression / shearing, and heat -- not the same as a plain bearing surface

Honda Moly 60 contains 60% moly, and will adhere to the contact surfaces better/longer.

I've used moly grease liberally on a ST1300 in a pinch and on the next tire change, there was none, well none on any of the gear face contact surfaces.
Wrong product for the application -- go with the paste!
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:12 PM   #6
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I know the Honda ST1300 drive splines can be trouble if the wrong lube is used and the bike is ridden hard. Many of the guys on the ST1300 forums have also had BMW's and most use Honda Moly Paste on them as well.

If you always take it easy, you could probably get away with less....

The only thing that matches Honda Moly Paste for specs is Loctite Moly Paste http://www.henkelna.com/industrial/p...=8797877698561
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:30 PM   #7
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Paul Glaves swears by Guard Dog Moly grease. ( http://guarddogmoly.com/gd525.shtml ). I've always used Honda Moly-60, but last time I used Guard Dog. I'll pull the transmission this winter and see if it's better.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:08 PM   #8
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Honda Molly 60

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Old 11-15-2012, 09:47 PM   #9
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Tungsten disulfide?

http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...=600536&page=6
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Tungsten has a lower coeficient of friction than moly. It withstands greater pressure and higher temperatures. It is also smaller in particle size than moly. So small that it can go through the oil filter so I will also be using it in the Mobile 1 that I use for the engine (There are a lot of people using it in their auto and motorcycle engines). The tungsten is so slippery that it will not even stick to itself so it will lay down a layer on the metal parts that is about 0.6 microns thick. One micron is 1/1000 of a milimeter.

Previously Tungsten (WS2) was quite a bit more expensive than Moly (MoS2) but the price has come down to almost what Moly is.

I also make my own spline lube with Wurth Sig 3000 grease and moly powder but for next time it will be with WS2.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:58 PM   #10
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I mix Tungsten disulfide with Wurth Sig 3000.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:26 AM   #11
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NLGI II, Lithium soaped, moly fortified grease is what you need for splines on the BMW. Most folks use the Honda Moly paste 60. I've not heard of a grease cocktail being used.
That is what we use on all the high speed shafting on the boat where you can see it working/sticking... and there's lots of it.
pretty neat stuff... its what I use...
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:49 AM   #12
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Paul Glaves swears by Guard Dog Moly grease. ( http://guarddogmoly.com/gd525.shtml ). I've always used Honda Moly-60, but last time I used Guard Dog. I'll pull the transmission this winter and see if it's better.
Before recommending the Guard Dog moly Paul recommended a 50:50 blend of Honda Moly and Wurth 3000 (http://www.mgcycle.com/product_info....oducts_id=1914)
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Old 11-17-2012, 06:04 AM   #13
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Before recommending the Guard Dog moly Paul recommended a 50:50 blend of Honda Moly and Wurth 3000 (http://www.mgcycle.com/product_info....oducts_id=1914)
+eleventy-billion (and the other guy that said it first)

Guard dog.

I used the moly 60 on my k75 back in May, I pulled it back apart in September to do it right with the GD. After it started shifting hard. No problems since and she shifts like butter.

I think the H m60 is too thin and squeezes out of the splines. The GD is very tenacious.

I found some products that might be better, but they were stupid $ and came in gallons... If a guy could get some samples... This stuff was like NASA grade and NASA price point.
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:36 PM   #14
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it's my understanding that honda has stoped supplying this lube to it's dealers.. if you happen across a dealer that has some still on the shelf, buy! if you can't find honda 60 molly the only alt is to hunt online for 60% molly-not easy when last i tryed( unless if you can use a 5 gallon bucket). but there were a few out there. setteling for the molly found at most places is asking for trouble in such a "high pressure" application i mixing with marine grease will only reduce it's effectiveness-imho

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Old 11-17-2012, 02:15 PM   #15
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it's my understanding that honda has stoped supplying this lube to it's dealers.. if you happen across a dealer that has some still on the shelf, buy! if you can't find honda 60 molly the only alt is to hunt online for 60% molly-not easy when last i tryed( unless if you can use a 5 gallon bucket). but there were a few out there. setteling for the molly found at most places is asking for trouble in such a "high pressure" application i mixing with marine grease will only reduce it's effectiveness-imho
McMaster-Carr to the rescue. Kind of.

PN 9456K6 is, according to the MSDS, a TS Moly-Lubricants product that contains 70% moly. An 8oz container is $35. But if Honda Moly 60 isn't readily available anymore...
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