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Old 02-12-2013, 01:16 PM   #1771
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Joel, is there a waiting list for late registrants? A friend, Hari, bayarearider who was at DV last year wants to come. Could he get into to some waitlist to be added if someone bails?

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idaho.....

it should be no problem. send a PM to ersin (fyyff) with the codes and other details he can provide.

a small donation to Rider Down Foundation will be included in the fee for late registrants.

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EDITED: THE REGISTRATION IS CLOSED, WE WILL HAVE ROOM FOR LATE REGISTRANTS ONLY WHEN SOMEONE BAILS OUT.

mikebrat bailed out, so idaho rider is IN (pending payments).
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:30 PM   #1772
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sorry to hear that ed. what did you do?

hope nothing serious and that goes away easily.
Just HAD to go ride Ruby/Tule trail on Saturday since I was expecting snow. I found the snow, and was coming down the trail, right where it dumps you out at the Rock Inn, when got off the snow, and into a jeep track, that was all ice, bike went out, and I hit my wrist on the landing,

If it's a sprain, I'm still in, but if it's broken, I'd rather not risk messing it up permanently. Hate to miss out on the n00bs ride, though.
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:18 PM   #1773
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Joel, is there a waiting list for late registrants? A friend, Hari, bayarearider who was at DV last year wants to come. Could he get into to some waitlist to be added if someone bails?

Thanks Chetan, I already posted here and sent a PM to Ersin to put me on the wait list.
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Old 02-12-2013, 04:06 PM   #1774
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Just HAD to go ride Ruby/Tule trail on Saturday since I was expecting snow. I found the snow, and was coming down the trail, right where it dumps you out at the Rock Inn, when got off the snow, and into a jeep track, that was all ice, bike went out, and I hit my wrist on the landing,

If it's a sprain, I'm still in, but if it's broken, I'd rather not risk messing it up permanently. Hate to miss out on the n00bs ride, though.

It seems that there are more and more of us on injured reserve. For me I know that I am going but not riding. I'm going to drag the dog up and socialize maybe do a little bit of walking in the desert.
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Old 02-12-2013, 06:01 PM   #1775
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It seems that there are more and more of us on injured reserve. For me I know that I am going but not riding. I'm going to drag the dog up and socialize maybe do a little bit of walking in the desert.
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Old 02-12-2013, 10:52 PM   #1776
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It seems that there are more and more of us on injured reserve. For me I know that I am going but not riding. I'm going to drag the dog up and socialize maybe do a little bit of walking in the desert.

crash and injury are something we have to watch out. sometimes it just come. every year at least 2 people get hurt in this event.

several things to remember - ride within your ability (most important). keep your bike properly maintained. get enough rest, do not ride when you don't feel well or under the influence. wear proper gear, do not be embarrassed to tell your ride leader that you want to turn around, learn to be a better rider and go practice before the event'

taking a riding lesson will boost your skill level and improve your confidence.

even on the easiest terrain people got hurt. do not assume only on hard or challenging trail things could go wrong.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:53 AM   #1777
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Stayed at Furnace Creek last week. Here is the scoop.

No step in Goler. The rocks at Mengel Pass are more exposed, but riding up or down is doable with intermediate skills. Otherwise can walk a bike through easily.

The step in Echo Canyon is the same. The downhill section on the Nevada side after riding through the canyon is worse with a lot of lose rock. Again, doable, but more work.

Road to Race Track same.

Lippencot same.

Saline Valley Road same. No visible snow at Hunter Mountain or South Pass, but didn't ride it.

The road from Hot Springs to Steel Pass has been washed out in sections for the first 2-4 miles. You can connect the dots, but you must scan the area for what is left of the road. No problems after that. I expect 4x4 guys will have a decent "road" to follow by late March.

I join the other comments about trash. I think we should pay for the dumpsters AND carry out what we can. If we do not cover the cost with donations at sign up, I will be greatly disappointed. I will split any remainder with others who chimed in.

Ride "leaders." I think more experienced riders will step up when we are there and determine the number of riders who want to do a particular ride. For example, Steve and I volunteered to help Browneye with a Cerro Gordo ride if that area is not snowed in.

I know this has been said before, but it is worth repeating so the Noobs can relax. If you are honest with the leaders about your skills and tolerance for a challenge, you will be fine. No one gets left to fend for themselves. Also, what we are able to do depends on conditions - snow over South Pass, etc. We need flexibility if conditions do not allow a ride to take place. The key is to be honest so your rides are enjoyable, and you do not cause others rides to be unpleasant.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:15 AM   #1778
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Which Bike to Bring???

So I have two dual sport bikes that i can ride. One is big and setup mostly for the street and the other is mostly for the dirt. I have never ridden in Death Valley before so i don't know what to expect?

1. Triumph Tiger 800 XC 2012 (80/20 tires Tourance rear tire)
2. Yamaha WR250 R 2010 (Geo Max 71 Rear Non DOT)

I am short 5'6" and 29" inseam so in technical (rocky and hilly) sections the bike has a good chance of hitting the ground. Not a big deal for the WR (drop and ride) not a great thing for the T800XC. Replacement parts are $ on the Tiger, the WR has hit the ground so many times it doesn't matter?

So how hard are the trails in Death Valley, different trails in varying levels of difficulty, lots of unimproved dirt fire roads that I could run the Tiger 800 in third gear and cover 200+ miles a day. Pack the bike with camping gear, clothing and ride from West LA to Death Valley and back.

Or bring the Yama WR250R tied down to the back of the Ford F150 and hit the trails and more technical stuff and single tracks, perhaps riding 100+ miles a day? Dropping the WR250R bike is no issue. I was hoping to ghost ride it on the DV Noob ride?

So having never ridden in Death Valley and having limited experience in the dirt and short in stature, which bike is better for the mission? Or is there so much terrain that i can choose either? Or is it better to cover the distance on the tiger 800xc and stay off the rock technical stuff?

Big heavy Tiger800XC - Road Warrior 80/20 (street/dirt)
Lighter Nimble YamaWR250R - drop and ride 85/15 (dirt/street)

Otherwise for off pavement - fire road - easy trails Just the Triumph Tiger 800/XC and a tent.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:32 AM   #1779
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So having never ridden in Death Valley and having limited experience in the dirt and short in stature, which bike is better for the mission?
this pretty much sums it up.
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There is a lot to see and the rides throw a number of challenges at you once you are off the road.

1st time there you want to enjoy yourself.

So long as the WR has the range (150 miles is a good start) it is the right choice. This will allow you to ride any of the planned rides you are interested in that are off the pavement. If you dont have the range carry gas with you. That bike gets like 50mpg so a gallon would be enough to take care of you for many of the loops out there. Depends on size of current tank. 3-4 gal is perfect.

The goal is to have fun and learn not worry about how much that part you just left on the ground is going to cost to replace.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:46 AM   #1780
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Hey campers!

PSR's WiFi comes from a sat link. That link gets saturated and caps bandwidth. If everybody does light usage we should be fine. Let's be nice to it. Download your porn before the event.



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Old 02-13-2013, 08:56 AM   #1781
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:32 AM   #1782
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It seems that there are more and more of us on injured reserve. For me I know that I am going but not riding. I'm going to drag the dog up and socialize maybe do a little bit of walking in the desert.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:45 AM   #1783
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So I have two dual sport bikes that i can ride. One is big and setup mostly for the street and the other is mostly for the dirt. I have never ridden in Death Valley before so i don't know what to expect?

1. Triumph Tiger 800 XC 2012 (80/20 tires Tourance rear tire)
2. Yamaha WR250 R 2010 (Geo Max 71 Rear Non DOT)

>snip
What Dave said. For the offroad treks the WR is the go-to bike.
I have been there on a streetbike and a dualsport. The former provides road access throughout the park, the latter for exploring offroad.

I also have an XC, and wouldn't consider it for the trailriding we do out there.

I saw we had a couple of big bikes for the Cerro Gordo and Salt Tram rides, including an XC and a 990, and those bikes could well have a very difficult time with the terrain going out to the trams, the sand coming out of Darwin, and the road going down from Cerro Gordo to Saline. Not the type of bike I would want to be on for those segments. A dualsport is what you want. An expert rider with a well setup big bike (knobbies) is a maybe. I suspect anyone with that amount of experience would choose a different bike for out there anyway.

We are going to have to have a serious discussion about who's going on the Cerro Gordo rides and what they're riding.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:59 AM   #1784
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We are going to have to have a serious discussion about who's going on the Cerro Gordo rides and what they're riding.
This is one of those hill climbs up to the salt tram.



Yeah it is much worse than it looks and was a handful on the 625.

And with the proper application of throttle you can even do this...

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Old 02-13-2013, 10:05 AM   #1785
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And with the proper application of throttle you can even do this...


LOL. I had to look three times to find the bike over the side. I just thought you were showing us the shoulder of the trail.
That's a camo knobby. Hehe.

Unfortunately, there are some sections where this could have MUCH more serious consequences. I do mean to scare some off. Some of these routes are NOT noob friendly. Distances are extreme, and terrain can be grueling.

The previous mention of 'being honest' applies here.
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