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Old 11-20-2012, 12:54 PM   #31
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The bike is made by Haojue:

http://www.haojue.com/

Which happens to be one of Suzuki's subsidiaries:

http://www.globalsuzuki.com/corporat...seas/asia.html

As good quality as any other Suzuki. I own a Haojue made scooter (AN125) and it has been every bit as good as I expected it to be. These are not generic Chinese bikes made by a 3rd Party, these are bikes made by Suzuki in one of their subsidiaries up to Suzuki's standards.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:15 PM   #32
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Ok, salesman screwed up, they do not have one in stock, and don't even have a price on it yet. Here is the website where I found it. I just bought a new Zuma 125 from them a couple months ago.

http://www.apachemotorcycles.com/new...sc=Motorcycles
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:46 AM   #33
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I'm not blown away by the looks, but we probably didn't need another
CBF250/YBR250 clone (you probably don't get those overseas..).

What's bothering me is.. these small bikes are constantly going up in
price..

The Ninja 300 costs just a tiny bit less then what i paid for my Ninja 650
back in 2007.
And weight. 400lb for a 250cc bike is ridiculous. Why bother? Get 500cc with a soft power delivery and more torque for the same price and weight.

I keep looking for a bike my GF can start out on. She doesn't want a sportbike or a dualsport. I don't want to put her on a barcalounger either. People around here want $2500 for a freakin' used Nighthawk 250 with drum brakes, if you can even find a decent one that isn't chopped, bobbed, cafe'd, or red. At least those are well under 350lb.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:06 AM   #34
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I'm not blown away by the looks, but we probably didn't need another
CBF250/YBR250 clone (you probably don't get those overseas..).

What's bothering me is.. these small bikes are constantly going up in
price..

The Ninja 300 costs just a tiny bit less then what i paid for my Ninja 650
back in 2007.
I've already seen it...

Nope.

Not that it is a bad bike, but the YBR250/CBF250 are better value. It's not meant to take on to CBR250/Ninja300, but instead to be a step above the entry level 250s.

http://www.haojue.com/products/produ...6_171_2531.htm

According to Haojue it produces 18KW, or, 24hp...

I don't know what the heck they were thinking, but the CBF250 (Honda Twister CBX250) manages 24hp out of a DOHC thumper...

And the weight, it's a porker. Seriously, it's the king of the porkers, 173kg!
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:11 AM   #35
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Unfortunately the prices of bikes will probably continue to go up much faster than the rate of inflation and income. It is becoming something only wealthy people can afford. My answer has been used bikes. You just have to watch Craigslist for the right deal, and be ready to pounce on it. I just sold a nice '04 Rebel for $1000. Nighthawks are usually a bit more, because they are not nearly as common. The drum front brake works just fine. Most 250 Nighthawks were red or black. The Suzuki TU250 is a good beginners bike. It had a major price increase in 2013, but there are a lot of 2012 models at dealers. Very few used ones on the market, and there has to be a reason for that. But for a beginner, that fits on it, it is very hard to beat a used Rebel. I'm 6' 220, and rode mine on a 3000 mile round trip at freeway speeds, with no problems at all, other than it was pretty uncomfortable.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:12 AM   #36
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The CBF is rated at 22hp here in EU I believe..

But yeah.. that weight is a bit over the top.. but as other have said, it might
be a "full size" bike.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:20 AM   #37
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I've already seen it...

Nope.

Not that it is a bad bike, but the YBR250/CBF250 are better value. It's not meant to take on to CBR250/Ninja300, but instead to be a step above the entry level 250s.

http://www.haojue.com/products/produ...6_171_2531.htm

According to Haojue it produces 18KW, or, 24hp...

I don't know what the heck they were thinking, but the CBF250 (Honda Twister CBX250) manages 24hp out of a DOHC thumper...

And the weight, it's a porker. Seriously, it's the king of the porkers, 173kg!
If it comes in at under $4500, and the quality is there, I will probably get one. While it has a sporty look (without the ugly fairings) it appears to be more of a standard bike, like the Nighthawk 250 and TU250, only with liquid cooling and tubeless tires. The tubeless tires alone are worth a lot to me. No worries about flats. I'm not interested in lots of power, if it will keep up with the Nighthawk and TU it would be fine with me. I just want a small bike with tubeless tires that is fun to ride. Mostly on all day or 2 day trips. I hope it's weight also means it has a decent load capacity.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:22 AM   #38
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The CBF is rated at 22hp here in EU I believe..

But yeah.. that weight is a bit over the top.. but as other have said, it might
be a "full size" bike.
It is more or less GS500 / ER-5 sized, so it is a big bike...


With a small engine.

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If it comes in at under $4500, and the quality is there, I will probably get one. While it has a sporty look (without the ugly fairings) it appears to be more of a standard bike, like the Nighthawk 250 and TU250, only with liquid cooling and tubeless tires. The tubeless tires alone are worth a lot to me. No worries about flats. I'm not interested in lots of power, if it will keep up with the Nighthawk and TU it would be fine with me. I just want a small bike with tubeless tires that is fun to ride. Mostly on all day or 2 day trips. I hope it's weight also means it has a decent load capacity.
Thing is, for that money you can get a used Ninja 650, or a GS500/EX500, that weight about the same, have more power, better brakes and tubeless tires.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:25 AM   #39
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It is more or less GS500 / ER-5 sized, so it is a big bike...


With a small engine.
I like that...big enough to stretch out on, yet retaining a small motor. So many bike with small motors are also of small dimensions, which is a disadvantage.
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Old 11-22-2012, 07:54 AM   #40
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It is more or less GS500 / ER-5 sized, so it is a big bike...

With a small engine.
That's great.

It'll still probably be faster then the 1cyl CBF250/YBR250 considering it's
2-3hp up on them, and it's a considerably bigger bike.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:07 AM   #41
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By the way, Kymco scooters and motorcycles, other than the Agility 50 and 125, are not made in China. Kymco, SYM, and PGO (which are sold as Genuine Scooters here in the USA) are made in Taiwan. These three makers all sell their bikes with a two year warranty. The Japanese makers, and even Vespa, only give a one year warranty. Kymco and SYM have made components and bikes for the big Japanese makers for years. And even some BMW motorcycles are made in China and Taiwan (or were).
We have a SYM HD200 scooter, and a Kymco People 150, and these are as good a scooter as anyone makes anywhere.
I will take a look at this new Suzuki when it gets to the dealer in Hilo Hawaii. One thing I like is the 3.5 gallon gas tank. This thing should get 70 mpg (??) and would have a nice cruising range.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:56 PM   #42
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By the way, I think the Suzuki GZ250 (also called a 250 Marauder in some countries) has been dropped. Looks like the GS500 is gone also? I am glad Suzuki has now brought the DR200 back. I'm sad to see the GS500 gone. It goes back to the GS400 of about 1978 I think, then to the GS425, GS450, and finally to the GS500. I had a 1980 GS450ST and it was a good motorcycle.
And comments about Suzuki motorcycles looking "cheap" go back a long ways, though the 4-5 Suzukis I've owned were all very good motorcycles. Of the over 25 motorcycles I've owned over 51 years, only a KLR250 Kawasaki I bought new in 2001 blew up an engine under warranty, and later blew a water pump seal, also under warranty. Other than those issues, even it was a great motorcycle after these warranty issues were repaired.

But,......I'm rambling on again.....
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Old 11-24-2012, 11:03 AM   #43
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I have never had a single issue with a Suzuki motorcycle. I definitely prefer them over Hondas. A part of that has to do with Honda's snobby attitude, but I also think Suzuki makes great bikes. My first streetbike was a Suzuki GT380, and my first new streetbike was a Suzuki GS450L. The Suzuki GS400/425/450/500 engines are legendary for reliability, as were the large displacement inline fours, which are still used for drag racing. I have also owned a '95 GS500E and loved it. I did not like the GSXR lookalike F model, and it was not nearly as comfortable as the E model. It is now gone. So is the GZ250, a so so looking but extremely reliable bike and the most comfortable 250 for a full sized person. I believe Suzuki intended the TU250 to be it's replacement. The GS500 apparently succumbed to a lack of sales same as the Kawasaki EX500. It is nice to see the DR200 back, unfortunately it is just a bit 2 small for me especially off road. I have a Yamaha XT225 with a ton of mods, including a super expensive rear shock that allows it to support my 220 pounds without sagging or being super harsh. Also have a 4 gallon Clark tank, kickstarter, and centerstand on it. The DR200 doesn't seem to have the aftermarket support the XT225 has, but it is a great bike for anyone that fits it.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:12 AM   #44
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By the way, Kymco scooters and motorcycles, other than the Agility 50 and 125, are not made in China.
Agility City, Super 8, and Like are also made in China of the stuff that
we get.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:15 PM   #45
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Instead of this nasty looking heavy bike, I wish Suzuki had dusted off the old gn400 (320 pounds) and turned it into a TU400 just like they did with the gn250/tu250.
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