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Old 11-24-2012, 12:47 PM   #1
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Enduralast vs Valeo vs Nippondenso for 1972 BMW r75/5

Hello,
I apologize in advance if this thread already exists, if it does a link to it would be much appreciated.
I have a 72 r75 with the original Bosch starter. I'm looking to replace my Bosch starter as it is the last weakest link (to my knowledge) in my ignition and charging system. I have the Enduralast charging system and love it, and I have a Ballistic Lithium Ion battery, so I'm getting good juice. My starter works fine after the engine has warmed up, but cold starting, it tends to bog down and drain the battery.
How do the Enduralast, Valeo, and Nippondenso starters compare? I know you get what you pay for, but I wanted to hear from users who have had good success with any of these starters.
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Old 11-24-2012, 01:26 PM   #2
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Put a proper battery in it. AGM
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Old 11-24-2012, 01:28 PM   #3
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Put a proper battery in it. AGM
My battery is fine, it's an improvement over AGM.
I had a 7 year old Odyssey PC680 in it, but this is a big step up. CCA is much higher on the Ballistics, almost double:
http://www.ballisticparts.com/produc...ies/12cell.php
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Old 11-24-2012, 03:38 PM   #4
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My battery is fine, it's an improvement over AGM.
I had a 7 year old Odyssey PC680 in it, but this is a big step up. CCA is much higher on the Ballistics, almost double:
http://www.ballisticparts.com/produc...ies/12cell.php
http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...757934&page=18
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Old 11-24-2012, 03:58 PM   #5
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Thanks for the video, good points by creator but I don't think it's stating Lithium Ion batteries are bad or underpowered, it just looks like he's disproving the actual CCA's manufacturers are stamping on their batteries.

The battery I have is rated for 1000cc or higher engines: http://www.ballisticparts.com/produc...ies/12cell.php
It's properly sized.

Do you know anything about the 3 starters that I mentioned?
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Old 11-24-2012, 05:08 PM   #6
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Thanks for the video, good points by creator but I don't think it's stating Lithium Ion batteries are bad or underpowered, it just looks like he's disproving the actual CCA's manufacturers are stamping on their batteries.

The battery I have is rated for 1000cc or higher engines: http://www.ballisticparts.com/produc...ies/12cell.php
It's properly sized.

Do you know anything about the 3 starters that I mentioned?
No. 40 years mechanic skills, but damn little airhead exp.
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Old 11-24-2012, 11:17 PM   #7
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Quality seems to be in that order. Nippondenso is best. Enduralast vs Valeo are equivalent. They are permanent magnet, gear reduction type and should use a bit less amperage.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:13 PM   #8
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I have both a bosch and a valeo. The Bosch is in my airhead and it's got 120K miles. I've had it the last 21K and I've had no trouble with it. It turns over slower than my valeo, but it always starts in weather 25F on up. My oilhead has the valeo that's known for the magnets coming unglued. After helping someone locally replace his starter, I decided to pull mine, clean it and replace the magnets. The starter is 16 years old and has 54K miles. I pulled it apart, cleaned it and rebuilt it as Anton describes on his site and it seems to be working well. I know they're on two different bikes, but I think both are good starters. I'll also add that I think John @ Euromotoelectrics is an honest guy. I had problems with my R/R on his charging system on my airhead. He helped me trouble shoot it and get the right part very quickly.IMHO, I'd put a bigger battery in and wait until you need to rebuild the starter. If you must replace it, I'd do whatever you feel is best: go cheap if finances dictate it, or go with which ever brand makes you feel warm and fuzzy.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:03 AM   #9
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I have had 2 Valeo's fail over the past 5 years. Now exclusively use the Nippondenso starters with no problems. I have installed them in 4 of my bikes. They are more expensive, but much cheaper than a Tow Truck.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:54 AM   #10
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The Nippondenso starter wins imo.
I have the valeo in most of my bikes and are doing fine as long as you use a battery that's in good shape.
After some time they start to sound a bit hoarse ! Take them apart clean and lube them and they will do fine again.

Using the nippon on one bike now. And it too needed a service after some rivercrossings. But the bike turns over the fastest with the nippon and the bike fires up much faster than with the valeo using the same pc680.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:37 PM   #11
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With a /5 you also have a real kickstarter. So tow truck isn't as big a worry.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:42 PM   #12
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Well if you guys know anyone selling a used ND starter, I'm all
$350 is steep for a starter...
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:43 PM   #13
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With a /5 you also have a real kickstarter. So tow truck isn't as big a worry.
I have a nice, permanently bruised right foot from that damn kicker.
At least I know my compression is good.
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Old 11-26-2012, 02:05 PM   #14
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Wicked Have the Bosch rebuilt!!!

Bosch starter is your best unit have yours rebuilt and it will last another 30 years

rebuild cost should be less than $100

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Old 11-26-2012, 02:07 PM   #15
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Bosch starter is your best unit have yours rebuilt and it will last another 30 years

rebuild cost should be less than $100

Biebs, how's the cold start for you? That's really the only reason I'm upgrading. Tired of bruising my right kicker foot on cold starts.
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