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Old 03-24-2013, 02:55 PM   #451
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:13 PM   #452
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With Alonso's car very badly damaged and mortally wounded, they elect to stay out an extra lap on the intermediates - huge risk, small return if they get lucky. (Given that Alonso's wing probably wasn't working very well anyway, I'm not even sure you can argue that an extra lap on the inters would have been better than a lap on slicks anyway.) I understand how under huge time pressure misjudgments are made in the heat of the moment, but they had about 90-secs to make this fabulously poor decision.
I have a different view:

Pit for a new nose & wing, re-emerge on Inters at the back of the grid, pit when everyone else does for Slicks when suitable - Result? Probably no points.

Stay out. See if the car can stay on the track and near the front until the Inters need to be changed - Result? Possible podium, certainly a points finish.

It was a roll of the dice. Even with the benefit of hindsight, it was correct given that both options would mean no points. At least they have an engine with one less race distance on it.
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:14 PM   #453
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Just watching the race now and funny! Hamilton drives into the McLaren pit by mistake and has to wheel out and and head to the Mercedes pit instead. Brain fart! Never seen that before.

Bummer about Alonso, but he did it to himself, so nobody else to blame.
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:22 PM   #454
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Bummer about Alonso, but he did it to himself, so nobody else to blame.
Don't know exactly who you mean by "he", but Ferrari is now saying that the decision not to pit was the team's, not Alonso's. As it should be, as the team has access to the TV feed and can assess the damage much more precisely than the driver. And given how that wing was so badly damaged, I don't see how they could have thought it was good for another lap; he was lucky to make it around the track once.

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Old 03-24-2013, 04:27 PM   #455
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I have a different view:

Pit for a new nose & wing, re-emerge on Inters at the back of the grid, pit when everyone else does for Slicks when suitable - Result? Probably no points.

Stay out. See if the car can stay on the track and near the front until the Inters need to be changed - Result? Possible podium, certainly a points finish.
You're missing the correct call - pit and put on slicks. Everybody pitted a couple laps later for slicks anyway and the track was drying rapidly. He might have had a slow lap or two, but probably no worse than his time with the badly damaged wing.

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Old 03-24-2013, 04:46 PM   #456
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You're missing the correct call - pit and put on slicks. Everybody pitted a couple laps later for slicks anyway and the track was drying rapidly. He might have had a slow lap or two, but probably no worse than his time with the badly damaged wing.

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Hindsight is such a wonderful thing. We all know now that the wing collapsed. It was only an incorrect call once you know that.
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:06 PM   #457
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My opnion about the race:

Alonso - I don't like him or Ferrari, so I think that the team did right and he got what he deserved.

Massa - was he there today??

Kimi - took the day OFF with Massa.

Vettel - did what any first driver would have done, took the chance, every big champion from Prost, Mansel, Senna, Piquet, Shumacher, Alonso, they all dis something not very much os a "honest" play.

Weber - suck it up, you are number 2. be happy or look for another team.

Hamilton - got home sick (one of the best moments of the race
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:18 PM   #458
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Long time F1 fan, first time on ADV.

My opnion about the race:

Alonso - I don't like him or Ferrari, so I think that the team did right and he got what he deserved.

Massa - was he there today??

Kimi - took the day OFF with Massa.

Vettel - did what any first driver would have done, took the chance, every big champion from Prost, Mansel, Senna, Piquet, Shumacher, Alonso, they all dis something not very much os a "honest" play.

Weber - suck it up, you are number 2. be happy or look for another team.

Hamilton - got home sick (one of the best moments of the race
well said, especially Kimi taking the day off, love it!
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:44 PM   #459
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Good on Vettel!
Webber has ZERO chance of winning the WDC.............................EVER.
He's a whining cunt.
I just wish Vettel hadn't gone and said it was a mistake to pass 'ol sourpuss.
I hope the kid gets 4-in-a-row!

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Old 03-24-2013, 05:47 PM   #460
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I was a little upset when I turn on the Sunday afternoon coverage and immediately see that Vettel won, on the crawler. I did enjoy the race, but what were they thinking.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:30 PM   #461
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Long time F1 fan, first time on ADV.

My opnion about the race:

Alonso - I don't like him or Ferrari, so I think that the team did right and he got what he deserved.

Massa - was he there today??

Kimi - took the day OFF with Massa.

Vettel - did what any first driver would have done, took the chance, every big champion from Prost, Mansel, Senna, Piquet, Shumacher, Alonso, they all dis something not very much os a "honest" play.

Weber - suck it up, you are number 2. be happy or look for another team.

Hamilton - got home sick (one of the best moments of the race
So next race team orders from red bull again ( gentlemen don't punt each other off the track hold for position. )
Weber then goes and does just that punts vettel off the track and wins the race that's racing ?
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:35 PM   #462
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So next race team orders from red bull again ( gentlemen don't punt each other off the track hold for position. )
Weber then goes and does just that punts vettel off the track and wins the race that's racing ?
Vettel didn't punt Weber, though.

Weber had no chance to win without team orders.

Rosberg should have gone past Hamilton.

There was no good reason for Red Bull to want Vettel to stay behind Weber.

This kind of shit poisons F1. I guess that is no news.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:31 PM   #463
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Just watching the race now and funny! Hamilton drives into the McLaren pit by mistake and has to wheel out and and head to the Mercedes pit instead. Brain fart! Never seen that before.
I think he just wanted to show his old friends his new car. "Hey look I got a M-B" its a lot nicer than that old rust bucket I had before..."
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:13 PM   #464
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Weber had no chance to win without team orders.
weber had turned his engine down per team orders. at full song he would have repelled vettel.
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:26 PM   #465
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When is someone going to throw a cream pie into Vettel's mug? I think it could be fun and he'd probably enjoy it too = fun all around! Someone purleese get on with this but maybe not in China.



Too much sugar..

For the sake of historical whatever, I think it should be an Englishman whom has the honour.
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