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Old 05-12-2013, 11:23 AM   #901
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Favorite quote of the weekend...

"I can't drive any slower!" - Lewis Hamilton
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Old 05-12-2013, 12:06 PM   #902
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Once again, though, it was a boring race. Formula One these days is all about finding out who is the best slow driver in the world
Races are won by whoever can drive the slowest while staying in front of the rest.

The tyres are an artificial limiter just as limited fuel capacity and capped rpm are. It's just that the limits of the tyres are more obvious to the observer.
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Old 05-12-2013, 12:36 PM   #903
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"I can't drive any slower!" - Lewis Hamilton
I thought "I've been passed by a Williams" was right up there.

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Old 05-12-2013, 01:22 PM   #904
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Ferrari raced hard / tire wear be damned. Good for them.
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Old 05-12-2013, 08:38 PM   #905
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Nice to see Alonso win another one (actually, anyone but Vettel).

I love the technology of F1 and the impressive speed of the cars but this, imho, is right on the nose. From the Guardian

Once again, though, it was a boring race. Formula One these days is all about finding out who is the best slow driver in the world*, as conserving tyres has become the most important issue.
It has always been important. But now the teams and the drivers are necessarily obsessive about it because they have to work with the rapidly disappearing rubber they have been given.
It would be much better, surely, to race properly from start to finish, with better tyres and fewer pit stops, even if that does come at the risk of the occasional procession.

The start of the race is as exciting as ever. And then you can switch off until the last 15 minutes. You can spend the 90 minutes between the start and the finish watching a football match.


* My emphasis.

The cars are still not passing on track, it's all pit strategy to gain places. It's about time they banned real time telemetry and no-more factories running scenario's and then directing the trackside team. Once the race is on, the driver needs to handle everything except for the occasional pit board. And for God's sakes, give them rubber that has a chance of lasting a race.
Gotta disagree.

We saw passing on the track. As for The Guardian, Ferrari went balls to the wall for the entire race. They did not conserve tires. A fundamental mistake by that newspaper. I'm surprised they got it so wrong.

I thought it was an excellent race. When Ferrari wins, all is right with the world.

I agree, lovely to see Vettel in 4th. That whiny little brat was even complaining over his radio that the reconnaissance lap was too slow.

The Lotus was again impressive. They're going to miss James Allison as the season goes on.
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Great blog on tires & Barcelona.

http://somersf1.blogspot.co.uk/2013/...blame.html?m=1

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As always, Raikkonen was fun to watch. Drop back, recover, advance, repeat.
Grosjean's troubling suspension failure added to the drama in a negative way.

A couple of recurring events in F1 races so far this year-
Tire delaminations and unsafe release from pit box.

Perhaps Mercedes won't lose as many grid positions in Monaco, but I wouldn't bet on it. Where there's a will, there's a way.
Ross Brawn is creating two of the most frustrated drivers to ever take the grid.
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I finally read that Guardian piece. it might as well have been written by McLaren. The principal quotes are from Button and Hamilton. Not coincidentally, they both drive for teams which haven't solved the tires. I sense a bit of disguised jingoism from the author.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:14 AM   #910
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Grand Prix / Pirelli Compounds / Winner

Australia (Melbourne) / super-soft medium / RAI
Malaysia (Sepang) / medium hard / VET
China (Shanghai) / soft medium / ALO
Bahrain (Sakhir) / medium hard / VET
Spain (Catalunya) / medium hard
Monaco (Monte Carlo) / super-soft soft
Canada (Montreal) / super-soft medium

Who won on what tires? Interesting that Red Bull have a pattern.

Pattern BUSTED.
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That was good, if lengthy. What surprises me is to read that people were confused by the 4 stop strategy and had trouble following the race. I don't understand why they would. It's not as if F1 has never done 4 stoppers before. It didn't strike me as being terribly complicated.
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That was good, if lengthy. What surprises me is to read that people were confused by the 4 stop strategy and had trouble following the race. I don't understand why they would. It's not as if F1 has never done 4 stoppers before. It didn't strike me as being terribly complicated.
I wonder how many times Red Bull has done a 4 stop & won?
I found it interesting to see that Lotus' strategy was to stop one less than their main rivals, and that Ferrari decided to go flat out and stop as many times as necessary. It seems to me that Red Bull suffered from indecision, and changed plan mid race (speculation on my part). But they seemed confused by Ferrari's tactics. From sailboat racing I learned a long time ago "indecision is the wrong decision", and I think that took down Red Bull.

It sounds now like Pirelli has been RED BULLied into a tire change.

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/...onfirm-changes

Its a shame that the teams who are crying loudest about tires (Merc, Mclaren & Williams) are the ones who haven't figured it out.... it seems a shame to change the tires now to suit these teams. The changes won't result in minor changes to the cars. the aero change alone caused by new tires could sound the death knell for Lotus' resurgence and might not do Ferrari any favors either.
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Whatever the technical underpinnings, the perception among those but the technically savvy is that the tires are crap. FIA directive or not, I cannot see how this is a plus situation for Pirelli. I've never been a fan since the early days of dryrotted P600's, but aside from that, unless one cares enough to delve into the particulars, the tires perform like shit, the commentary obsesses on the fact, and Pirelli is left to manage an image of tires that won't last. How does this type of racing on Sunday help them sell tires on Monday?
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:09 AM   #914
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Whatever the technical underpinnings, the perception among those but the technically savvy is that the tires are crap. FIA directive or not, I cannot see how this is a plus situation for Pirelli. I've never been a fan since the early days of dryrotted P600's, but aside from that, unless one cares enough to delve into the particulars, the tires perform like shit, the commentary obsesses on the fact, and Pirelli is left to manage an image of tires that won't last. How does this type of racing on Sunday help them sell tires on Monday?
Agree, I can't imagine why any company would want a product made by them, would appear to be crap (regardless of the fact, they are required to perform like that) to the general public. Surely this would kill their sales, not boost them.
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People -- drivers, teams, fans, commentators -- always complain about tires, no matter what. Pirelli have been told to make their tires an even bigger part of the show, so's there's a wee bit more limelight right now. But the fate of a tire supplier in F1 is to always be blamed, and never be praised. Nature of the beast. Michelin got a lot more abuse for a certain race in the US.

If Greg's fears are correct and Pirelli stiffen the sidewall, the knock-on effect could be significant. Shame. I like how the season has been going and I don't see anything wrong with it. It's been very exciting and unpredictable.
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