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Old 05-27-2013, 01:32 AM   #1021
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Pretty good for a race that has no passing. Perez's kamikaze moves made for entertaining, if ultimately destructive, racing. Fo a while there, he was making Button and Alonso look like old men who were past it.

I think it was sometime last season that I finally realized that Rosberg was a mighty fine driver trapped in bad cars. I'm glad he finally won his Grand Prix. Hamilton's no slouch so he's a good benchmark by which to measure Nico.

Nice to see Sutil get some redemption.

When's the last time Alonso was passed three times for position in a race? It's like he was asleep for Perez's dive into Nouvelle. I was wondering if he was resigned to finishing sixth and going through he motions, perhaps lost his alertness? Seems to me his late turn-in style cost him Rascasse and the hairpin to Button and Sutil. Very unusual and very costly for points.

What bugs me about the broadcast on US TV is that they treat every race like it's the first one Americans have ever seen. Matchett, who's pedantic at the best of times, goes over the same damn rules every single time. Leigh Diffey kindly explained to us n00bs that each circuit is broken into three parts. Actually, Diffey shouted it, because that's how he talks.

I use my mute button a fair amount.

Good thing I set the DVR for 3 hours. Barely got the whole race. If you miss the race, NBC Sports Channel always airs a rerun the next day. It's on on Monday at 11:30pm.
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Old 05-27-2013, 01:40 AM   #1022
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ps Hamilton has now paid his debt to Rosberg, losing a podium place to hold off the Red Bulls so Rosberg could pit and keep the lead.

Sounds like Mercedes might get a fine or points deduction, but keep the race win. The TV boys claimed Ferrari had done a similar Pirelli test before Spain, but I'm not seeing that reported anywhere.
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Old 05-27-2013, 05:30 AM   #1023
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ps Hamilton has now paid his debt to Rosberg, losing a podium place to hold off the Red Bulls so Rosberg could pit and keep the lead.

Sounds like Mercedes might get a fine or points deduction, but keep the race win. The TV boys claimed Ferrari had done a similar Pirelli test before Spain, but I'm not seeing that reported anywhere.
Ross Brawn quoted as saying Hamilton not ordered to slow field. Who knows where the real truth lies.

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When's the last time Alonso was passed three times for position in a race? It's like he was asleep for Perez's dive into Nouvelle. I was wondering if he was resigned to finishing sixth and going through he motions, perhaps lost his alertness?
Alonso said something to the effect of "no point in racing around people with nothing to loose" (WDC-wise) so he just circulated instead of getting in a crash.
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Old 05-27-2013, 05:33 AM   #1024
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Ross Brawn quoted as saying Hamilton not ordered to slow field. Who knows where the real truth lies.



Alonso said something to the effect of "no point in racing around people with nothing to loose" (WDC-wise) so he just circulated instead of getting in a crash.
And that Alonso sentiment is why I dislike Monaco as a race. It's the world's most expensive parade. Great spectacle. Lousy race.
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Old 05-27-2013, 08:16 AM   #1025
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Ross Brawn quoted as saying Hamilton not ordered to slow field. Who knows where the real truth lies.
Was he in a position to slow the field?

My hazy recollection from what was a confusing period was that Webber had pitted prior to the safety car coming out, and Vettel also pitted before the safety car so a lap prior to Hamilton. Who then was behind Hamilton and close enough for Hamilton to hold up? Were Raikonnen, etc, still lined up astern?

Anyway, an explanation has been offered at planetf1.com. Don't say where they got it from:

"Hamilton lost his P2 thanks to a miscalculation at the pit-stop. Before the stop he was three seconds behind Rosberg, he was told to leave six seconds before he came in and left 11 instead."

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Old 05-27-2013, 10:15 AM   #1026
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When's the last time Alonso was passed three times for position in a race? It's like he was asleep for Perez's dive into Nouvelle. I was wondering if he was resigned to finishing sixth and going through he motions, perhaps lost his alertness? Seems to me his late turn-in style cost him Rascasse and the hairpin to Button and Sutil. Very unusual and very costly for points.
You can look at it this way, or you can look at it as he simply didn't want to risk a DNF for a couple mid-pack position points dicing with Mr. Kamikaze. Look what a defend-the-position strategy netted Raikkonen - a drop from a probable 6th to 10th (and he was lucky it wasn't 13th or worse). Alonso has superb race judgment.

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Old 05-27-2013, 11:04 AM   #1027
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You can look at it this way, or you can look at it as he simply didn't want to risk a DNF for a couple mid-pack position points dicing with Mr. Kamikaze. Look what a defend-the-position strategy netted Raikkonen - a drop from a probable 6th to 10th (and he was lucky it wasn't 13th or worse). Alonso has superb race judgment.

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Yes, I understand. Perez got away with his moves for that reason, at least until Kimi shut the door. But Button's not a kamikaze and he made a pass in Rascasse, an unlikely place. Sutil's pass in the hairpin was a duck under Alonso's exceptionally wide, late turn in. I'm obviously not a racer, but those two passes seem to be easy to defend against.
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Yes, I understand. Perez got away with his moves for that reason, at least until Kimi shut the door. But Button's not a kamikaze and he made a pass in Rascasse, an unlikely place. Sutil's pass in the hairpin was a duck under Alonso's exceptionally wide, late turn in. I'm obviously not a racer, but those two passes seem to be easy to defend against.
Yeah, Alonso did seem a little flat-footed at times and a defensive line in the hairpin seems like a no-brainer with little downside - nobody is going to pass you on the outside there. But I understand with Perez - this was one of those days where you see someone charging through and you say "I think I'll watch you crash." I'm glad someone finally called his bluff, although wish it wasn't Kimi.

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I'm glad someone finally called his bluff, although wish it wasn't Kimi.
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Perez may be a superb driver, but he's a bit green when it comes to common sense.
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NBC's coverage is dogshit. That's what I got from Monaco.
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Old 05-27-2013, 10:42 PM   #1031
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NBC's coverage is dogshit. That's what I got from Monaco.
It does feel a little hysterical, and they sometimes lose facts in their excitement. I miss Bob Varsha's more sober demeanor. I'm going to give Diffey the benefit of the doubt and say that he was so thrilled to be in Monaco that he couldn't contain himself. Maybe once he's tucked safely back in his Connecticut studio he'll calm down again.
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I'm not trying to be negative. I have been downloading BBC coverage and I prefer the way they deliver the race. NBC never mentioned DRS or KERS. I find that shocking. The video feed was good just not the commentary.

Fun race to watch!
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:26 AM   #1033
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Vettel keeping it classy, like he does.

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Vettel keeping it classy, like he does.
Does Seb have any comment on why he could not keep up with Rosberg each time there was a safety car restart?
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Does Seb have any comment on why he could not keep up with Rosberg each time there was a safety car restart?

I'm sure that was Pirelli's fault....

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